July 7, 2022

Change Fearlessly with Kevin Lowe

Change Fearlessly with Kevin Lowe

Kevin Lowe, host of the Lowe Down with Kevin Lowe podcast is joining me to talk about overcoming the fear of change. Kevin has experienced several changes throughout his life from losing his eyesight at an early age to pivoting his business during the pandemic. Come learn how he not only welcomes change but makes it work for him.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.240 --> 00:01:53.840 Pia, what is going on everyone? Welcome to another episode of creating daily, 2 00:01:55.000 --> 00:02:00.359 the best livestream show podcasting on the planet, according to Um, I'm 3 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.959 excited. I'm here today in the studio, hanging out, got my green 4 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:08.159 screen going on. So for people watching who who were like, what is 5 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:10.120 going on? Is that real? No, it's not really. I know, 6 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:13.800 it just looks really good. Not Really, but anyway, I'm having 7 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:15.719 a lot of fun. Come to you live from Wilmington, North Carolina, 8 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:20.639 so I'm super search about that. It's July seventh. It's hottest crap outside 9 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:23.280 and uh, and I know it's hot where my guest, Kevin Low, 10 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:27.159 I'm gonna Bring on just a few minutes. I know it's hot where he's 11 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:30.479 at because he's further south. Um, super excited to bring him on. 12 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:34.919 I was actually with him yesterday we were recording an episode for his podcast. 13 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:37.439 So we've got to spend we've spent a lot of time together this week, 14 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:40.159 which is pretty amazing. Um, so I'm excited about that and we're gonna 15 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:45.439 talk about how do you going to change fearlessly? This is something that I 16 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:47.520 know a lot of people are afraid of. Maybe they're uncomfortable with like how 17 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:52.599 do I change? And especially as a content creator, sometimes you just gotta 18 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:54.840 change the game, like you gotta go do something else or, you know, 19 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:59.400 as an entrepreneur or a business owner. Uh, you gotta just get 20 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:01.479 you getting the old horse behind the barn and shoot it in the head and 21 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:07.280 move on. So Kevin has done that a couple of times, big times 22 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.840 in life that I know about. UH, and we're gonna jump into those 23 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:15.080 stories and and hear a little bit about his creator journey a little bit about 24 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:17.400 his life. But before we jump into it, I need you to do 25 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:22.120 me a couple of favors. One, wherever you're watching at needs to go 26 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:25.919 ahead and hit that follow button or that subscribe button and drop me a little 27 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:29.599 chat there and let me know you're watching and say hey, I'm watching, 28 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:31.599 I'm here, Um, and let me know about that. 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There's only gonna be 56 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:28.839 five thousand of them, five zero, zero zero of them, so go 57 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:31.680 check that out. All right now, I don't have any more segments today. 58 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:38.160 Typically I do um changing up creating daily a little bit, but today 59 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:41.720 I really wanted to spend more time with Kevin because he has a fascinating story, 60 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:45.279 super great guys, super great personality and, like I said, I 61 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:47.879 gotta spend a lot of time with him. Yesterday. Now he's not on 62 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.680 camera today. Once again, to be a guest on the show, being 63 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:56.079 on cameras optional and we've had several people not want to be on camera or 64 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:58.600 maybe they don't have the setup to be on camera. But I do have 65 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:00.759 a really cool screenshot at Kevin. So I'M gonna go ahead and introduce my 66 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:04.839 friend Kevin Low. What's going on, Kevin? How's it going, man? 67 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:09.879 What's having it? Dude? Super excited to be here. Yeah, 68 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:12.319 man, I'm excited to have you do. Like I said, you and 69 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:15.199 I spent some time together yesterday and it was a lot of a lot of 70 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:17.959 fun. So I really appreciate you have me on your show, which I 71 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:20.519 know is going to drop in a couple that episode is gonna drop a couple 72 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:25.360 of weeks, and I'm excited to have you here sharing your story, sharing 73 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:29.720 your journey. Yeah, man, well, I'm super excited to uh, 74 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:33.439 to hanging out with you this week, but yesterday and now today and uh 75 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:38.560 yeah, dude, it's it's pretty awesome and I thank you for not making 76 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:43.279 me a show my my smiling face live on camera. So well, it 77 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.480 might not be live, but it's on the screen, man, is on 78 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:48.879 the screen. I got a great picture of you up there with your podcast 79 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:54.120 logo, with your name, with your handle, so people can follow you 80 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:57.959 with Kevin Low coaching on instagram. So we're hooking you up, man. 81 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:01.000 We're giving you a plenty of promotion for that podcast. Sweet Dude, sounds 82 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.319 good, man. Yeah, all three and a half people that watched the 83 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:09.439 show, Kevin, are going to hang out with you. Yeah, I'm 84 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.959 all about that. Half a person, Dude. Yeah, and then when 85 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:15.720 you share my episode, we're gonna double each other's audience. It's gonna be 86 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:20.759 Great. Yeah, perfect, we'll we'll create a whole. Yeah, well, 87 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:25.639 man. On on today's show, really the topic is about going into 88 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.519 change without fear, just kind of going into it, and I know, 89 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:31.120 Um, from you know following you around the Internet for the last couple of 90 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:35.240 years, that you know life has given you that. I know of a 91 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:40.680 couple of really big changes, and the first one was when you're seventeen years 92 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:44.120 old, you went into surgery being able to see the world around you. 93 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:47.000 You came out of surgery not being able to do that. And so to 94 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:50.480 kind of lead into and I know it's a similar to what I did yesterday 95 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:54.319 on your show, I kinda with a long story route and share all the, 96 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:58.040 you know, a little nuances of my journey to being a creator, 97 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:01.560 I love to go through that same journey with you today as well. Yeah, 98 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.680 absolutely absolutely, Dude. So, so, yeah, so, my 99 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:11.800 journey of of of getting to where I am today is is really this understanding 100 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:15.120 in in kind of making my way in this new life, you know, 101 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:20.399 as as really just you know, uh, gave you the synopsis. Um, 102 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.680 seventeen years old, junior in high school, life, Skilling, great, 103 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.000 had a big four wheel drive fur de f one, Fifty Forest Green, 104 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:33.720 big, thirty eight Super Swampers, the dual flowmaster exhaust. UH, 105 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:37.320 beautiful truck. Love it. Did did you? Did you have like that, 106 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:41.559 like swamp rider? Look where like the tail end was was back and 107 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:45.559 the front of was lifted. I don't know what that's called, but no, 108 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.039 no, no, no, the whole truck was. Whole truck was 109 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.600 lifted. It was. It was six inch suspension lift, two inch body 110 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.200 lift. Yeah, the whole thing was. It was a big old monster 111 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:58.759 truck and uh, sounds cool. Yeah, I loved it and so so 112 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:03.240 I was going awesome until all of a sudden it wasn't. And that came 113 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.960 with with the news from an M R I that I had a brain tumor. 114 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.559 and Um, you know, we we thought that was the traumatic part 115 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.480 and we were assured by the doctors everything was gonna be Great. I'd be 116 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:20.919 back to school in three, four weeks. No, problem. My my 117 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:26.000 biggest thing that I was the most upset about, whoa two things. One 118 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:30.879 was that the doctor told me I was not allowed to keep the tumor, 119 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:33.960 because I thought it would be cool to have it like in a jar, 120 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.919 like kept, like and and they're like no, no, no, no, 121 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:39.960 we, we, we don't do that. I'm like, Oh, 122 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:46.200 okay, you keep it, it's your yeah, and I even named it. 123 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:50.320 I named it Bob, Bob the tumor, and and so like we 124 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:54.120 we we had like a going away Bob Party, me and my whole family 125 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:58.759 and and stuff. And so so I was upset about the fact that I 126 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:01.679 didn't get them to keep the two we're in a jar. And then, 127 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:03.960 though, I was upset that he told me it was gonna be six months 128 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.200 before I'd be allowed to ride my four wheel or again. And so, 129 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:13.320 seventeen years old, I mean that was a big deal. and Um. 130 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:18.519 And so, anyways, went into surgery. Was the morning of October two 131 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:24.039 thousand three, and that was really the day that my life forever changed, 132 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:28.840 because I went into surgery. We had I had the tumor removed. It 133 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:35.600 was removed successfully, which saved my life, Um, but at a cost. 134 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:37.120 That no one expected. And that was that I came out of surgery 135 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:41.879 to be left completely blind. So so when you went into there were I 136 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.120 mean, and maybe I'm getting off topic a little bit, but were they 137 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:50.159 like, Hey, this is this is pretty standard, like we're confident you're 138 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:54.440 gonna come out of here with your vision and everything. So when when we 139 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:00.840 met with the surgeon the first day and in his office and we're going through 140 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:05.399 everything and they have to give you all the risks associated, and it's, 141 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:07.879 you know, always like, always joke, like, you know, we 142 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:11.320 got chance, we might cut off your arm, even though we're messed with 143 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:16.000 your head. You know well, well, the very last stat that they 144 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:24.519 gave us one percent possibility that you may become blind. Wo Yeah, one 145 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:30.240 percent. And and I can tell you to this day, when I've had 146 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:33.120 all the follow up, you know, appointments with the with the neurosurgeon, 147 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:39.399 they'll tell you that everything's intact and he doesn't understand why I can't see, 148 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:43.279 but I can't. And so that tumor, though, the tumor was big. 149 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:48.360 They compared it to the size of a plum. It completely encased my 150 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:54.960 pituitary gland, which your pituitary controls all your body's hormones, like growth hormone, 151 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:58.159 testosterone, all that kind of stuff. That's why I was only five 152 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:05.360 ft three at seventeen years old. I wasn't growing and Um. And so 153 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.159 it was also, though, in the cross hairs of my optic nerve. 154 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:16.000 And so what we feel like happened is the optic nerve had actually begun tunneling 155 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:22.720 blood through the tumor, and so when that tumor was removed, it kind 156 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:26.600 of more or less cut off the blood supplied to the optic nerve, causing 157 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:33.440 it to a trophy and it died Um. So so that was the big 158 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:37.480 thing for me. And and and I always tell people when I say that 159 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:39.919 I went blind. They say, I can't. I always, you know, 160 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:43.919 let it me know that I went completely blind because, come to find 161 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:48.480 out, when people say they're blind, there's actually a big degree of what 162 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:52.879 that means, because most people who are blind, the vast majority, still 163 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:58.919 see something. They have some type of light perception, like they see shadows 164 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.440 or or some like me, on the other hand, I went all the 165 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:07.000 way, all the way to the dark side, and so so I came 166 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:11.720 out with with absolutely nothing. Wow, man, wow. So you, 167 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:16.039 you, you went into surgery one percent chance that you would lose your eyesight 168 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:20.320 and you came out and and wow, I'm just sitting here trying to process, 169 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:22.480 because you know, I'm with you. I hear people say, Hey, 170 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.279 I'm blind, but then then they can see what I'm doing. You 171 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:28.799 know, my grandmother was like my great grandmother was like this, like she 172 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:31.200 was. She says she was blind, but then when I would like flip 173 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:39.360 my brother off or something, she was what are you talking about? Like 174 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.360 peripheral vision? It was fine, it was just in front of her. 175 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:45.399 It was not good. And so, okay. So men, as a 176 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:50.840 seventeen year old, I mean I imagine this was like wow, what do 177 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:54.320 I do? Like, what was the emotions wrapped up in learning that you're 178 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:58.279 never gonna see again. You know, for for a long time, dude, 179 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:03.600 it was going through the motions, because not only did I become blind, 180 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:07.679 I also lost my sense to smell at the same time, but I 181 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:13.399 also just had all these crazy medical issues related to the surgery, related to 182 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:18.519 the fact that my pituitary gland was now, you know, totally not working, 183 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:24.000 and so I ended up I ended up staying in the pediatric I see 184 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:28.480 you for two weeks in the hospital. I don't remember any of the time 185 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:33.200 in that hospital after after rolling through the operating room doors, I don't remember 186 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:39.360 anything until sometime later on being back at home, because I also suffered from 187 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:45.279 short term memory loss for for about uh, six months or so after surgery, 188 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:50.080 I had short term memory loss, all these different medical complications. It 189 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:54.200 was like literally nothing went right, nothing went like we thought it was. 190 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.480 And so a lot of it, dude, it was just going through the 191 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:03.279 motion. And you know, remember I was a junior in high school. 192 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:07.600 Um, this was, you know, two months into my junior year, 193 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:13.240 a month after my seventeenth birthday, and so that you know. But this 194 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:20.600 is what's kind of cool about with my story at this point is I was 195 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:24.519 a kid who hated school. I mean, I'd rather be sick with the 196 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:31.159 flu than have to go to school. And yet for some reason, here 197 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:35.919 this kid is who would rather skip school any day of the week, and 198 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:41.159 yet now I have a get out of school free card. Yet I didn't 199 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:46.240 take it because for some reason, from the very beginning, my family said, 200 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:50.159 I kept saying, I just want to be able to catch up with 201 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:56.559 my school work, to still graduate with my class and so and so I 202 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:00.799 ended up. I did it. I literally I never went back to school 203 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.720 the rest of my junior year. Instead, I had Um, they called 204 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:08.440 it hospital homebound, and so these were teachers who would come to my my 205 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:12.600 my grandparents house, and so my mom would drop me off with my Nana 206 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:18.840 each morning before she'd go to work and I'd stay at Nana's and and and 207 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:21.919 I had teachers. I had a teacher who came who taught me all my 208 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:26.720 school subjects, another teacher who came who taught me stuff with like blindness, 209 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:32.799 like how to read Braill, how to start using a talking computer, and 210 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:36.360 then I had a third teacher who was teaching me mobility skills, how to 211 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:41.960 use a cane, how to get around, and so I ultimately ended up 212 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:45.759 catching up with my school work. So the fact that I made it back 213 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:51.519 to school for the start of my senior year. And Yeah, and so 214 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:56.480 we only had um at that time. We we did like a block schedule, 215 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:59.639 so it was like four one and a half hour classes each day, 216 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.119 and so I just went back to school my senior year for one class each 217 00:17:03.160 --> 00:17:07.960 morning and then the rest I did at home. That way I could just 218 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:11.559 try and be back to school be part of senior year, quote unquote, 219 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:18.160 and Um, ultimately, dude, I walked across the stage in my high 220 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:25.799 school graduation and graduated with my class, class of two thousand five, and 221 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:29.440 what that showed me, which which I didn't realize that when it happened, 222 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:33.559 but when I looked back at it, I realized now that I believe, 223 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:38.440 because, because I'll preface this statement by saying my faith is huge for me 224 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:45.279 and the only way that I've gotten through all of this and m where I 225 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:51.319 am today is because of my faith, and I believe in all my heart 226 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:56.880 that me graduating high school, having that drive to do so, was God 227 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:02.519 showing me right off the bat that you're still capable of doing great things in 228 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:06.920 this life. Wow, man, I love this story. Man. I 229 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:11.240 mean, you know, obviously some for you, the part of it that's 230 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.119 it's tough, man. It's tough and and you and I are the same 231 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:17.960 age, same you know, graduated the same year. So I'm sitting here, 232 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:19.319 you know, I'm just kind of reminiscing on like wow, what would 233 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:23.799 that have been like too, to go through life and have to relearn everything, 234 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:26.480 because you don't think about that. You're like Oh, you lost your 235 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:27.920 eyesight. Okay, well next, you know what's next? Like, well, 236 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:30.720 you gotta go learn how to communicate, you gotta go learn how to 237 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:34.559 do life a lot different. And so, man, I'm kind of curious. 238 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:40.440 You know, talking about content creation and media creation, you talked about 239 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:44.400 using a different type of computer. So you know what it was this eighteen, 240 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:48.759 nineteen years ago. What was the technology like for the blind community back 241 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:52.680 then? Was it good? Was it terrible, or what was that like? 242 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:56.000 Yeah, well, you know, when, when, when it happened, 243 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:57.359 you know, I mean it was good then. Now, of course 244 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:02.119 it's gotten a lot better, but it you know, I mean I was 245 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:04.559 I was lucky in the fact that even when I went blind, you know, 246 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:08.839 Gotcha, like I said, almost nineteen years ago, they had these 247 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:15.640 programs, these talking software programs called Jaws that installs on a on a Microsoft 248 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:21.680 computer, and so I started learning how to do that and and I learned 249 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:26.200 how to read Brail. But brail, you know, I didn't use it, 250 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:30.359 and so don't use that. You forget it. And that was because 251 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:34.559 technology was was already a big, big part of of my life. Now 252 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:42.400 what's cool is seeing the evolution of technology from when I went blind to today 253 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:48.279 where, you know, especially with the evolution of the IPHONE, because starting 254 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:52.680 with the iphone it was like the three GS. It came out with voice 255 00:19:52.759 --> 00:20:00.000 over, which is Apple's built in accessibility program which makes any of their their 256 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:07.119 iphones, ipads, even their their MAC computers, completely accessible to the blind. 257 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:11.319 And and so, like, dude, it's absolutely phenomenal. Like my 258 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:17.799 iphone that I have now, literally, as I am running my finger across 259 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:22.119 the glass screen, the voice is reading to me like the APPS that I'm 260 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:25.640 crossing you over. So I have a voice and I and I haven't set 261 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:29.920 up to like the male serie voice, and so he's telling me, you 262 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:33.799 know, a messages, calendar, you know. And and then instead of 263 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:37.359 like me, instead of like where somebody else would just tap the screen to 264 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:42.079 open an icon, instead I just say double tap it and because I tap 265 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:45.880 it once, it tells me what it is. Tapping again it opens it. 266 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:51.920 You know. Yeah, it's really phenomenal. Yeah, man, this 267 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:53.880 is this is awesome. Kevin. I really appreciate you sharing, you know, 268 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:57.079 some of your story here. And so you're so you're seventeen, you're 269 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:02.240 learning a new way to communicate your learning in a new way to Um, 270 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:06.279 to do everything, to learn to read to you know, I mean have 271 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:10.720 stuff read to you through these different types of softwares. Um. So kind 272 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:14.519 of walk me through like okay, you graduated, which is amazing. Then 273 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:18.319 what was where did Kevin go next before we got into where you're at now. 274 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:25.240 Yeah, so, so a lot of time was spent just, Um, 275 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:27.200 just just trying to to live, just going through the day to day 276 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:33.000 stuff. I tried going to to our community college, Um. And you 277 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:37.119 know, as I said earlier, Kevin wasn't a fan of school to begin 278 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:41.359 with, even when he could see, and it was easy. Now Kevin 279 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:45.519 can't see, it's more difficult. Now I'm at a community college and you 280 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:49.359 know, they set me up with AIDS who are there to be like note 281 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:52.720 takers in the class with me. Well, the note takers wouldn't show up 282 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:57.559 or the note takers were like total scumbags and and it was like ridiculous. 283 00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:02.799 And so, need us to say, Um, I finally was like you 284 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:07.079 know what, college eight for Kevin, and so I'm like, let's stop 285 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:11.119 doing that route and instead, Um, you know, I just kept you 286 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:15.119 know, like I said, a lot of time passed and you know, 287 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.559 man, the the counselors, um, luckily, luckily enough, where we 288 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:22.440 live, Um, literally. So I live in Ormond Beach, the near 289 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:26.880 nearby town of Daytona beach which is literally like just connected to one another, 290 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:33.880 has a huge blind population because it has blind services. It has like, 291 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:40.279 I think the world's largest Brail Book Library and Talking Book Library and all these 292 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:44.000 services that I didn't even knew existed. And then all of a sudden I 293 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:48.240 go blind and find out that we have all of this here and Um, 294 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:52.359 and so, you know, the counselors there that we had, you know, 295 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:56.119 of course. You know. They they felt like Kevin wasn't progressing, 296 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:00.759 you know, as fast as he needed to, because Kevin, they would 297 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:03.200 tell my parents. You know, well, Kevin, you know, he 298 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:06.839 just needs to accept it and he needs to move on and, you know, 299 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:08.119 and and no, no, no, no, none, and we 300 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:12.599 he needs to learn how to do laundry and cook and and and and meanwhile 301 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:15.240 I'm like, well, well, none of my friends are doing any of 302 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.599 that. Why? All of a sudden, because I'm blind, I now 303 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:21.960 need to start cooking and doing laundry, like, what the heck? Like 304 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:26.440 and I'm like, you know, and stuff and so it definitely took like 305 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:33.960 my own timeline of of really getting through life. And the big thing came 306 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:40.559 for me, Um Gosh, probably in like twenty, probably like twenty eleven, 307 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:44.440 I guess I would say so. So about like six years later I 308 00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:49.839 ended up doing a program through one of the blind services services that set me 309 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:56.720 up with internships at local businesses and so to place things that I was super 310 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:02.880 interested in. One was trying level, so I interned at a local travel 311 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:07.000 agency and the other, ironically, was I was super into like wanted to 312 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:12.599 be on radio, and so they got me an internship with the local am 313 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:18.599 radio station, where I went there Monday, I think, Monday, Wednesday, 314 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.799 Friday mornings. I worked on the morning drive show and it was an 315 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:27.000 am political like talk show. And and so I did these internships, you 316 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:30.400 know, at the same time of one another. So I'd I'd work at 317 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:36.119 the the radio station in the mornings and in the afternoons I would go down 318 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:41.160 to this travel agency and and, you know, learned that whole industry and 319 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:45.200 I loved radio. Oh my gosh dude. I was like, Oh, 320 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:51.400 I love it, but they didn't have anything for me at the end of 321 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:56.200 the internship. So it was kind of back to square one the travel agency. 322 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:00.880 That internship ended. They weren't in a place to hire anybody, and 323 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:06.119 so I was kind of just back at square one and just like okay, 324 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:11.240 now what? And Luckily at that point I found out about this whole thing 325 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.799 of okay, well, you can create your own travel agency called a home 326 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:21.640 based travel agency, and so that's what I did. So in Um I 327 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:27.000 launched my own business called better days travel, and so that was January that 328 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:33.519 I started my own own business and, dude, I operated that for the 329 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:37.839 next seven years, looking amazing vacations. Yeah, Dude, you know, 330 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:44.759 first of all I want to jump back into just saying I love that even 331 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.799 in those programs and the councilors like well, Kevin, you're not doing what 332 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.920 you need to, need to do all this one I love it that at 333 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:56.039 such a young age you recognize like man, I'm still I'm still young, 334 00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:57.839 I'm still a kid, like why am I having to, you know, 335 00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:02.599 like do all these things because I'm my situation. So I love it that 336 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:03.880 you push back on that and put it on your own timeline. I think 337 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:08.519 a lot of times, as as people, definitely as uh, content creators, 338 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:11.960 definitely. As entrepreneurs, definitely hasn't. I mean as people in general, 339 00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:17.240 we're typically looking at the people around us or, you know, seeing 340 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:18.519 what's going on and going okay, well, where am I at? And 341 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:22.480 we're always comparing ourselves. And I just love it, man, that you're 342 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:26.119 like, Nope, I'm going to do this on my timeline, I'm going 343 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:30.000 to figure this out and then, Um, yeah, fast forward to two 344 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.160 thousand thirteen. I love it, dude, that you am from the guy 345 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:36.640 who people said, hey, you're a you're a slacker, you need, 346 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:37.920 I mean not slacker, but you know whatever, whatever they say, you 347 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.880 need to be going faster. So now you're like, dude, check this 348 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:45.240 out, O my own travel agency. So I love that story, man, 349 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.200 I love it. Dude. You got me, yeah, hooked. 350 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:49.880 I'm on the edge of my chair. Please continue. Yeah, yeah, 351 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:53.160 well, and you know, and even like the travel agency thing is is, 352 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:56.160 you know, Kevin's never been one to like just kind of do what 353 00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:00.599 you're supposed to do and what society tells you to do, and so like 354 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:06.160 even that, like, you know, like it wasn't nobody at blind services 355 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:08.039 like recommended like, Oh, be a travel agent. No, I'm like 356 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:11.799 I love to travel. And so so I started a travel agency thing and 357 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.640 and even, to be honest, like I feel like the travel agency that 358 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:21.640 it interned at, even though they were absolutely incredible, I don't feel like 359 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:26.759 they even thought like I could really do it, you know and stuff. 360 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:30.400 And so I'm like, Heck Yeah, I can do it. I got 361 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.000 the technology to do it on the computer. And so, dude, I 362 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.640 started, yes, started the travel agency and that was amazing. Like I 363 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:45.240 said, for seven years from I did a travel agency thing and but you 364 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.759 know, and I mean booking vacations from I did a bunch of I did 365 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.119 a lot of honeymoons, two different like all inclusive resorts. I did. 366 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.720 I did some awesome trips for people like going. Like I had this one 367 00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:00.920 couple. They wanted to they couldn't decide Costa Rica or the Florida keys. 368 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:04.480 They lived in Colorado. So they're like, well, we're gonna do both. 369 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.960 I'm like, YOU'RE gonna do they're like two different places. Like yeah, 370 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.519 we want to do both. So like I literally like did a trip 371 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.799 from they did a week in Costa Rica, then flew him over to Florida, 372 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.799 had on a rental car and they did a week in the Florida keys 373 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:22.920 and, uh, you know, and so the whole travel business was awesome. 374 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.799 Now, during that time, though, I mean it wasn't like my 375 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.920 business ever like took off like as good as I like wanted it to. 376 00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:37.079 And so so there were different times when I actually went and kind of worked 377 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:41.119 with some other companies, UM, other travel agents, who were doing really 378 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:45.279 good, and then I'd come back to doing my own thing because we wouldn't 379 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:51.920 work out with them. And and Steph until coming into I was set to 380 00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:56.880 have my best year on record. I literally had some incredible trips, but 381 00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:03.759 many awesome honeymoons I did and even had a trip lined up for I think 382 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:11.319 it ended up being close to forty of us were booked for October on a 383 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:17.279 group cruise that I called, uh, read, a finding vision in because 384 00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:22.000 this was gonna be the seventeenth anniversary of when I went blind, which I 385 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:29.200 thought was super cool. Happened to be in the in the year, and 386 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:33.519 what was significant about that is it meant that at that point I have been 387 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:36.960 blind as long as I had been able to see, and so I had 388 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.799 all this awesome stuff going for me. And then we all know happened in 389 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:48.759 the world collapsed and within a week's time there in March, I went from 390 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:53.039 the best year on record to travel agency that basically didn't exist. Wow, 391 00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:59.160 man. Yeah, so this is where and this is where we're talking about 392 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:02.839 this change in because I think, like you know, I think as as 393 00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:06.799 creators, sometimes we get this idea and we go, well, we want 394 00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:08.279 to do the show, we want to do you know whatever, like this 395 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:14.440 podcast to Tiktok, to this instagram's whatever. But we don't want to you 396 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:15.480 know, we don't want to change, we just want to keep grinding and 397 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.440 trying to make it work, and I think that's one thing that you and 398 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.160 I have in common, and I shared the story on your podcast episode, 399 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:25.240 which will come out in a couple of weeks. Um that will promote. 400 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:26.640 So if you guys want to hear the story. But we have very similar 401 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:33.039 stories where our businesses established, businesses went away during the pandemic, and so, 402 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.559 yeah, man, it's incredible. And if we weren't willing to change 403 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.400 and if we were trying to just hang onto that same thing, um, 404 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.960 we're probably just gotten our lunch eating and would be working, you know, 405 00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:48.240 like you want extra large friends with that, like you know, and not 406 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:49.920 that there's anything wrong, because I think fast food is paying a lot of 407 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:52.480 money these days, but you know, we would have probably been there doing 408 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:59.839 something, you know. So so. So, take me into so twenty 409 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.599 wanting your business basically just like goes away, very similar to my story as 410 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:07.799 well. So take me into like how does that lead you into podcasting? 411 00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:14.160 Yeah, so, so at this point we're in quarantine mode. And at 412 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:17.880 this point I'm like, okay, travel agency, you know, is done. 413 00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:19.880 But at this point I had it, given up on it, and 414 00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.759 and so, but I'm like, okay, what am I gonna do? 415 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.240 We're in quarantine, while I'm like, you know what, perfect opportunity. 416 00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:30.000 I've been thinking about doing a youtube channel for a long time, and so 417 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.880 I'm like, you know what, this perfect opportunity to explore this opportunity. 418 00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:41.000 So I start going on Amazon ordering all this stuff for doing a youtube channel, 419 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.799 and so I'm getting like the ring light and in the tripod thing, 420 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:51.960 and then all of a sudden it just kind of like boom, like slapped 421 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.920 me in the face like reality check, like, Kev, you're blind, 422 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:02.279 you can't do this yourself. You'RE gonna have to have somebody here helping to 423 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:07.480 film you? And how? How's that gonna work? That's gonna be a 424 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:12.119 pain in the neck. And so I'm like, oh Lord, all the 425 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.559 all this camera equipment and stuff. Yeah, forget it. And so it 426 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:19.720 was at that time that I think it was my sister who was like, 427 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:25.119 why don't you look at doing a podcast? Well, the time I didn't 428 00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:29.759 even know what a podcast was. I didn't listen to any. And so 429 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:34.319 I started listening to podcast and and and I'm like, Oh, okay, 430 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.680 you know, and and I'm and I'm, you know, understanding what a 431 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.359 podcast is. And and so now, though, I'm getting excited. And 432 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:45.559 so now I start listening to podcasts about how to start podcasts and and and 433 00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:49.839 that's what started it. Now, when I started my podcast, it was 434 00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:54.119 called the low down on life and travel, because it was gonna combine aspects 435 00:32:54.160 --> 00:33:00.200 of my life story. But also, again, I'm still at that point 436 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:04.839 thinking it's still tying back to travel, thinking this is an awesome opportunity to 437 00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:10.160 drive attention to the travel agency. And and so that's how the podcast got 438 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:15.920 started. And and so I I started doing the podcast thing and, Dude, 439 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:21.240 I fell in love with it and and what was so cool was I 440 00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:25.039 kept having people tell me, Kevin, like you are so good at this. 441 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:30.599 I'm like yeah, I'm like, I'm really liking it, and sowes 442 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:36.200 going on. I mean I think I launched my podcast in May of and, 443 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.839 Um, you know, as as the years going on and and I'm 444 00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:46.279 realizing I'm liking it more and more. We're coming up to one and I 445 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:51.559 find myself at this point like I don't want to book any more trips. 446 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:53.079 I'm like, I'm telling everybody. I'm like no, no, no, 447 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.400 you don't understand. I'm like, I feel like I'm onto something and this 448 00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:02.359 is way better than canceling vacations. And so you know. And and my 449 00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:06.799 whole thing was was I'm like, I didn't know where it was going to 450 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.800 lead and I didn't know how it's gonna make it work, but I just 451 00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:16.880 knew that I found something that felt right because, as much as I loved 452 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:22.280 the world of travel, as much as I enjoyed being a travel agent, 453 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:27.719 to be honest with you, I knew in my heart that wasn't what I 454 00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:31.679 was meant to be doing. I knew that there was something more for me 455 00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:37.800 because during this whole time too. I started sharing my story. I started 456 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:42.000 speaking at Churches, at schools, sharing about how I went blind, how 457 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:46.079 I overcame what happened to me, and and so, you know, I 458 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:52.440 really loved doing that. But so, again, the whole travel thing it, 459 00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:58.599 you know, it just it wasn't really me until sometimes, though, 460 00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:04.639 in relating back to you know, you listening to this, is sometimes it's 461 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.960 tough for us to make the choices. And so for me, the pandemic, 462 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:13.679 to be honest, that aspect of the pandemic was a blessing because it 463 00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:19.360 forced the door to close and allowed me to explore a new door that opened. 464 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:23.159 And that was the podcast, which, you know, like you know, 465 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:27.679 kind of catching back up where I left off going into one. At 466 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.280 that point I'm loving it. I'm realizing I don't want to just focus on 467 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:36.280 travel content, and that's when I rebranded it again, not being afraid to 468 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.639 make a change, I rebranded it into what it is now, the lowdown 469 00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:44.719 with Kevin Low. I explored a bunch of different names and everybody's like, 470 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:46.480 Dude, you gotta go with the lowdown with Kevin Low. They're like it 471 00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:52.719 just it just flows. And so so I did that and and have just 472 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.039 not looked back since. Dude, I love this story, man, and 473 00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.320 I think you know the part that I love the most is like the radio 474 00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:01.880 GIG that you had early on. You're like, dude, this is but 475 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:07.519 there's no opportunity. And now it's like your world comes like super full circle 476 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:12.360 and it's like, oh now you can do a radio you know audio, 477 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.920 I'll say audio and audio. You know show, which you're what you are 478 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:19.400 great at. Man. First of all, you know, I listened to 479 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.800 your show. Um, I was a guest yesterday, as you know, 480 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:25.280 in a recording for your show, and Um, I even went home and 481 00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:28.480 told my wife. I'm like, man, this guy, Kevin Dide, 482 00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:31.239 he is so dynamic. Like if there was some way that he and I 483 00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:34.920 could do a show, this is one. This is the pitch right here 484 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.719 that he and I could do a show together, like I would love it 485 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.880 because we're very similar, very similar backgrounds and stories and same age and all 486 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.719 that kind of stuff, and he's like dynamic on the microphone. And so 487 00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:47.559 you know, man, I just I just want to say congrats to you 488 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:52.679 for, you know, finding that love of radio through podcasting or scratching that 489 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.079 love. You know, it's or whatever, through through podcasting, and you 490 00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.159 are good at it, man, like you are killer at it. So 491 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:02.519 Um, look that and I get it, dude, all the cameras and 492 00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:06.440 the lights and everything. I'm like, you know, I mean, I 493 00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.840 can see perfectly fine and I have so much trouble still trying to get stuff 494 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.440 to do what I wanted to. So Um, but but if you need 495 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.719 help, dude, I'll fly to Florida and we'll set something up for you. 496 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:20.000 If that's what if that's what it takes, man, if you want 497 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.960 to get into video world, I don't want tech to stop you. I 498 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.199 can come down there and help you out. So let me know. I'm 499 00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:28.599 book to flight, or book the card trip. I should say that I'm 500 00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:30.400 talking like I'm a millionaire. I'll let you book a flight. How's that? 501 00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:35.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just just call it the 502 00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.760 private jet, you know, and Buzz, I'm down here, honey. 503 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.239 So I'm going to Kevin's for the weekend. Called the jet, please. 504 00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.280 Called the nanny for the kids. We're going on a vacation. Now that's 505 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:47.880 definitely not how it's happening. She's probably watching this like no, what are 506 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:51.599 you talking about? Booking a flight like you're gonna Fil me down there, 507 00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:57.760 Dude, Oh man, that's too much. But but now, Dude, 508 00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.519 thank you. And and, you know, and and no man. And 509 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:04.159 it's, you know, a funny story about the whole world of video and 510 00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.599 versus audio. You know, because you know, you know, like the 511 00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:12.280 whole podcasting space is taken on. You know where video is a big aspect. 512 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.079 You know, and and I and I often joke and and and, 513 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:21.599 because sometimes I've had guests on my show who they'll get up set almost that 514 00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:25.320 we're not doing video. And and I'm like, Whoa. I'm like, 515 00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:30.039 I'm like, first and foremost, you sighted people like to use your eyes 516 00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:35.719 way too much. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, have you 517 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.800 ever? I'm like, have you ever been in the car listening to the 518 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.760 radio and been like, oh my gosh, this just irritates me that I 519 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:47.039 can't see them? I'm like, you know, it's argument. But but 520 00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:51.480 then I always joke, though, with the people who, if they try 521 00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:53.760 and give me any any, any smack about no video, I say, 522 00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:58.239 I said listen, I said think about it like this. I said, 523 00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:02.239 I'm sitting here in my studio. I like to stay cool. So the 524 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:07.280 lights off. I said, you're on your end. I said, I 525 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.599 can't see you, but you can see me sitting in this dark room with 526 00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:14.960 my lips up to a microphone. Doesn't that seem a little bit creepy? 527 00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:22.960 And at that point they're just they are either speechless or they're just kind of 528 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.440 like uh, yeah, yeah, we get it, we get it. 529 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.880 You know right. Well, dude, and I mentioned because we you know, 530 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.920 we went um recorded for your show yesterday, as I've mentioned several times, 531 00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:39.199 and we just did video or audio only, and it's not often even, 532 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:44.239 and I think it told you this, like even when I am doing 533 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:49.679 just an audio only podcast, it's typically video as well, because people are 534 00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:52.320 like, well, if you do video at least like a zoom call or 535 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.559 e Cam or whatever, then you can see each other, you can kind 536 00:39:55.559 --> 00:40:00.480 of get those you know whatever, like those physical cues or or whatnot, 537 00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:04.039 or eyebrow raises or you know whatever. You can kind of get into the 538 00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.159 conversation a little bit more, or so people say. But Dude, on 539 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.679 the guest side, yesterday, when I was on your show to make an 540 00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:15.119 argument for audio only, even in the recording process, dude, I was 541 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:20.960 like super, super comfortable I wasn't worried about what my hair looked like or 542 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.199 if my hat was on right or wrong, or what clothes I was wearing. 543 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:28.639 I literally kicked up my feet on my desk, pulled my microphone clothes, 544 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.000 lean back in my chair and we just talked for over an hour and 545 00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:37.480 it was like an incredible conversation and probably, you know, maybe even over 546 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.280 shared a little bit or shared stuff I wouldn't normally share if I was on 547 00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:45.199 camera and not, you know, not feeling super confident. So I definitely 548 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.440 think there's an argument. And you know, you're the quality of the show 549 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:52.480 that you do and the the amount of information that you get from guests and 550 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.800 stories and things like that. I think that has a lot to do with 551 00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:00.880 your success as far as producing a podcast audio only. Sure. Yeah, 552 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:05.239 well, well, thank you so much, man and and and just to 553 00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:08.519 acto what you're saying, dude, I agree. And the fact that I 554 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:13.840 have found it was so many of the interviews that I've done. The people 555 00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:19.400 will will tell me they're like wow, they just open up and and and 556 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.079 they'll they'll tell me they're like, they're like you, you ask such questions 557 00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:27.760 that questions that no one else asks before and they'll and they'll even have even 558 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.599 had some people say they're like you see parts of my story that no one 559 00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:37.000 else sees. And and and again. It lends its hand to this fact 560 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:42.840 of eliminate. Even for you cited people. Eliminate that. Focus on the 561 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:47.519 sound of the voice. Pay attention to that and it eliminates you know, 562 00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:52.079 whether we want to believe it or not, we form opinions in our mind 563 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.880 as soon as we see the person. Instead, if you can eliminate that 564 00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.239 and just get down to what they're saying, I feel like it just makes 565 00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:06.159 a better story, a better interview. Yeah, man, absolutely. Well, 566 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.119 Dude. You know, I think people might look and say, oh, 567 00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:13.719 man, Kevin lost his eyesight, that's a that's a hindrance, but 568 00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:16.599 really it's a superpower because of what you just said, and I know in 569 00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:22.360 the music industry people and producers will go into a sound booth to listen to 570 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:27.760 playbacks and everyone in there has their eyes closed. They're not focused on anything 571 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:31.760 but their ears and they're listening and then they're tweaking stuff that way and then 572 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:36.719 listening to the playback with their eyes closed, and so I think that that 573 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:38.199 is a part of your success, man, and that's gonna be a part 574 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:43.400 of your continued successes. You know, you've taken this what people would deem 575 00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.800 uh hindrance or disability and saying, well, you know, I might as 576 00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:52.280 well just sit around and do nothing because I'm not capable of figuring this out. 577 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.239 And you've come up against every single thing and all these changes that were 578 00:42:55.400 --> 00:43:00.599 forced upon you. You've taken them, you've grabbed them and said, okay, 579 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:02.440 how can I make this work for me? And that's why I admire 580 00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:06.119 you so much, man. That's why I wanted to have you on the 581 00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:08.800 show, because you know, ascided people. I love that. You say 582 00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:15.440 that's so funny, man, I'm excited first and that you know, sometimes 583 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:17.519 we can be like, Oh, dude, you know life socks. You 584 00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:21.159 can't free this program out, I can't frege the software, I can't figure 585 00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:23.599 out these lights and this camera, and then I'm over here like man, 586 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:30.079 Kevin's figuring it out, like figure it out. I gotta insane for me 587 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.239 too, man, like okay, dude, this guy is showing up every 588 00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:36.159 week recording. Dude, you record one, two or three podcasts a week 589 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:38.840 or something. After yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Dude, 590 00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:43.079 and you're I mean you're hustling, you're communicating and you're doing all the 591 00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:45.079 things, and I was blowing you up with text messages late at night when 592 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.440 you're supposed to be asleep, because you wake up at four am. But 593 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:53.280 only for you only. I was like, unfortunately for you, Kevin, 594 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:57.960 now we've become friends and anybody has. My friend was like, man, 595 00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:01.400 okay, likes to talk a lot. My my my only thought was, 596 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:04.320 I'm like, I'm like, you know what, if he really irritates me, 597 00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.559 I'll just start responding when I get up at four. That's an option. 598 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:12.280 That's well. There was a point last night when we were swapping text 599 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:14.000 and you're like Hey, man, I'm sorry, I gotta go. It's 600 00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.039 nine thirty. I get up at four. I was about to be like, 601 00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:19.039 Oh, dude, well, shoot me a text when you get up, 602 00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.440 because maybe it'll help me get up earlier. And then I deleted the 603 00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:28.599 TEX. I'm like no, don't, don't text me or call me a 604 00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:36.199 four am. So well, Kevin, is there anything that we didn't chat 605 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:37.119 about? Man, I know, Um, you know, we've been on 606 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.559 here for a little bit. Not that I want to rush off, but 607 00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:44.320 Um, I mean we've covered a lot of ground and I love your story 608 00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.639 and I love that you came and you share it with with myself and my 609 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:50.800 it's the first time I've heard your entire story. I've heard bits and pieces 610 00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:54.440 from different podcasts and different shows, Um, but I'm excited to you know, 611 00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:59.400 see to know Kevin a little bit more and then knowing that you've taken 612 00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:01.840 all the stuff that life is thrown at you. You've put it all on 613 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.519 a big ball and you're throwing it back at life and you're winning and I 614 00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:08.159 love that. So, is there any other things that you want to share? 615 00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.559 That didn't like really set you up or I don't know, it's good 616 00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:15.119 to interviewers you. So I apologize, but hopefully I've done a decent job 617 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:19.480 at a walking people through your story or helping you walk them through it. 618 00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.039 Yeah, no, man, that this has absolutely been absolutely a blast. 619 00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:27.639 I've enjoyed it so much and you know honestly that the only thing that I 620 00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.159 would would leave with is, you know, since we're talking to a lot 621 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:38.639 of content creators, is use my story as an inspiration to incorporate what you've 622 00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:43.880 been through in life as content. So many times what we're trying to come 623 00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:46.599 up with content, trying to come up with with new ideas. Well, 624 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:52.559 a lot of times it's a stuff we've already done in life. It's the 625 00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:57.800 stories that we have. Those are the content. That is absolutely phenomenal. 626 00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:02.360 It's it's taking stories of when you were a kid, funny stuff, serious 627 00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:08.079 stuff, sad stuff, and turning that into content today. And I believe 628 00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:13.960 you know, that's just such an amazing resource that I don't feel like enough 629 00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:17.480 people utilize. And so so that's my one tip. My second tip is 630 00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:23.119 don't be afraid to make a change. If if it, if it's recording 631 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:28.920 equipment, filming equipment, just get something, because we we all get we 632 00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.280 all get especially in the tech space. We're all like, oh my gosh, 633 00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.800 which one do I choose? I choose this microphone or that microphone? 634 00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:39.320 Just choose the one microphone that's best in your budget, that looks good, 635 00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:45.760 and realize you can upgrade later. You can make it change later, Dude. 636 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.599 So that those are my my two big, big piece of advice. 637 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.400 You know, for for somebody I listening to this, Kevin, that's great 638 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:57.599 advicement. I always tell people like he start dirty, start messy, borrow 639 00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.320 equipment if you have to, like whatever gets you to the to the starting 640 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:05.199 line, to actually start, I guess, across the starting line. Um, 641 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:07.920 don't worry about the finish line because's never gonna show up. Like it's 642 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:10.159 never showing up. Like we're all in this for the long haul, and 643 00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.840 so I love that that. Just get what you can, get what's in 644 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:15.719 your budget, get whatever you know you're comfortable with, and then you can 645 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:21.280 always upgrade later. That is good coaching, Kevin, and I want to 646 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:22.920 I want to leave, I want to sit. That was my segway. 647 00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:27.400 That was a terrible segue, but that's my segue to set you up to 648 00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.599 tell me about your new coaching business, because I know your your podcaster, 649 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:34.440 you're doing that thing, you're working with sponsors, you're you're monetizing that way, 650 00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.440 Um, but you've also started helping people. So take a couple of 651 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.920 minutes here and UH, and pitch us, man, tell us about your 652 00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:44.320 new coaching Gig. Yeah, dude, absolutely, so. So, yeah, 653 00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:51.800 so I started coaching two different aspects kind of Oh, I think I 654 00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:59.159 lost you there, man, oh there. Oh, yeah, okay, 655 00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:01.239 now I got your back. I get your back. Might here. I 656 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:06.719 can hear okay, perfect, okay, perfect. So, yeah, so 657 00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:12.480 I work as a transformational life and business coach. Basically, what that means 658 00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:15.599 is somebody who's gone through some stuff in life and they're looking to make a 659 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:20.559 change but they're not sure how to do it or they lack the confidence to 660 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.679 do it. I step in to help people make that change, create the 661 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:30.400 business, create the side hustle, but something that truly pulls on their passions 662 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.639 and what what they've done? You know, we we've we've all had the 663 00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:37.880 you know, the J ob. But what if we can use what we've 664 00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:42.480 been through the messiness and turn that in to the gifts that now we can 665 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:46.679 use where we show up Monday morning just as excited as if it was Friday 666 00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:51.000 evening? And so I do that as a coach. And then I also 667 00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:55.000 something new that I've started, that I've been doing for free, um forever, 668 00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.960 and now, though, I'm actually starting is a consulting business for for 669 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:07.639 companies organizations that have websites or APPS, as a website accessibility consultant, and 670 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:10.800 so that is people don't realize the amount of people out there who are blind 671 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:16.199 or visually impaired who use these screen reading programs like I talked about, and 672 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:23.400 programs, APPS, websites, they have the ability to be made where they 673 00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:28.599 work better with the software, and so a lot of times it just takes 674 00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:31.360 some tweaking. And so I've started working, you know, as a consultant 675 00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:37.199 where people will hire me companies to come in review their websites, go over 676 00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:39.159 all the findings with them and help them, you know, be able to 677 00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:44.639 figure out what little edits they can make so that it's more accessible to the 678 00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:47.440 blind and visually impaired. Man, that is so awesome, dude, on 679 00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:52.320 all levels. I Love that you're coaching people in the business and and then 680 00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:58.599 I love, I love even more that you're consulting businesses to create accessibility for 681 00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.480 the blind community. Man, I think is so powerful in super dope that 682 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:06.039 you are taking that initiative and becoming that, you know, that voice for 683 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.400 your industry, man, or that voice for your for your for your niche. 684 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:12.679 there. You know, I think that's an incredible, uh journey and 685 00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:15.199 incredible feat to take. So hopefully somebody listening to this, some company, 686 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:19.519 some business out there, we'll call you, Kevin, and say hey, 687 00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.960 man, come come check our stuff out, like, let us know what 688 00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.639 we can do to tweak it, because it's huge opportunity. I imagine there's 689 00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:30.760 a lot of people utilizing websites that you know have that are blind, that 690 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:35.480 can't see. So it's like it's a business opportunity. I mean not to 691 00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:37.199 be weird or nothing, but that's what it is and that's what you're trying 692 00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.679 to help them succeed at. So, good morning, man. That's cool. 693 00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:45.639 Exactly. Awesome, man, exactly. Thank you, man, awesome, 694 00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:47.800 man. Well, Kevin, I appreciate you, dude. I know 695 00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:51.719 this is not going to be your last time on the show. I'm already 696 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.360 brainstorming right now as we're hanging out, like, how can I get this 697 00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:58.159 guy on creating any more often, because I have so much fun and we 698 00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.440 have so much fun, uh, cat, and so I really appreciate you, 699 00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:04.360 man, and so we'll see you, guys. We'll see you next 700 00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.360 time. Kevin, I appreciate you jumping in. I'm gonna close this thing 701 00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:08.960 out and then I'll see in the in the green room here in just a 702 00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:15.800 minute. All right, everybody. That is it for creating daily today. 703 00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:19.920 I'm super excited. Man, go follow Kevin Um. He is an incredible 704 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.960 creator, incredible guy, super inspirational, as you already know because you've watched 705 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:27.199 the show. Um, and if you yeah, if you don't think so, 706 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.280 then stop following me. UNSUBSCRIBE if you don't like my friend Kevin and 707 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:32.920 UNSUBSCRIBE. Um. So anyway, but actually subscribe. I know you haven't 708 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:37.039 yet, so go ahead and do that. Subscribe to the show. Let 709 00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:39.000 us know what you think about it and join me next week. I got 710 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:45.199 a very special guest coming on the show on Tuesday. I have Melanie Risley 711 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.960 from ritual emotions. So she's gonna be on. She's the VP of strategy 712 00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:53.360 and operation over there at ritual motion and that's the new sponsor the show. 713 00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:58.679 So come over there and support and ask her any questions about ritual motion and 714 00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:00.920 we'll talk about the N F T project that they're doing. We'll talk about 715 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:07.880 all those fun things in the next Thursday. Week from today I'm going on 716 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:09.519 in my heat fishing trip off short, so I will not be I think 717 00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:14.679 it's my heat trip. I will not be going live, but maybe I'll 718 00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:16.599 have somebody cover for me. Maybe I'll somebody go live for me, I 719 00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:20.880 don't know. We'll see. But anyhow, thanks for watching, thanks for 720 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:23.599 listening. If that's what you're doing and go push the recorder button, go 721 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:28.199 hit the go live button. Don't be afraid of change and be more like 722 00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.719 Kevin. All right, that's my new tagline for the end of the show. 723 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:34.519 Be More like Kevin, because he's awesome and he is dude. He's 724 00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.320 doing it and I love it. So we got we'll see guys next time.