The Woods: Fifty-Nine Years of Creating

WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.199 --> 00:00:06.280 Now here's center. We hope can really like you're listening to creating daily. 2 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:09.880 There's something wrong with you. You know that because you and I are like 3 00:00:09.919 --> 00:00:13.599 a mullets. It is the is the business. So he's the front part 4 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:16.600 of the haircut and then I'm the party in the back. I think they're 5 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:23.559 hilarious. Speaks to me. It's like he's saying what I'm thinking. What's 6 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:26.920 up, all you creators, it's good to see you. It is Wednesday, 7 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:29.440 April thirteen. I don't even know what day is, and I'm super 8 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:35.039 excited for this episode. I have my longtime friend, my actual former high 9 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:40.479 school teacher and friend on the podcast today. Super excited. I'M gonna try 10 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:43.359 not to cry. That's my one mission. I told myself as like, 11 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:47.039 don't cry, and I'm going to do the show a little bit different today. 12 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:50.079 So instead of doing a couple of segments before, I want to leave 13 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:53.079 us plenty of time to chat and to talk and we're both a little ADHD 14 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:56.240 and why? are a little differently the most so we're going to have a 15 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:58.880 lot of fun, but I do want to set it up a little bit, 16 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:00.479 just to give you some backstory, because I don't want to focus too 17 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:04.120 much on it during the show, but I definitely want to share just a 18 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:08.400 little bit of backstory of how I met Jenny Rogers. So, like I 19 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:11.760 said, I it was I don't know, it's like eighteen years ago, 20 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:15.439 two thousand and four ish, somewhere around there. I think that's what year 21 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:19.879 it was. I walked into a high school choir classroom, as I had 22 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:23.040 done numerous of times before, dozens and dozens of times throughout my high school 23 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:26.680 career. This is my senior year for semester, and I knew my choir 24 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:30.959 teacher was going to be out of commission. She was jumping on a jet 25 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:34.400 plane and going to the adut you know, going through this adoption journey, 26 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:37.920 and so she wasn't going to be there and so everyone's like yeah, there's 27 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:40.879 a substitute, and I'm like they I'm a class clown, I'm a NERD, 28 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:42.079 like I don't really get school. I hate school, like I think 29 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:47.200 the educational systems junk. Then I think it's even more so now, to 30 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:49.840 some extent. Anyway, I won't get into all that, but I was 31 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:52.319 like yeah, dude, this is cool, it's gonna be like, you 32 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:56.319 know whatever, like four months three or four months of like worksheets and flipping 33 00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:00.159 papered across the room and flirting with some choir girls. And so I walked 34 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:04.480 in and sure enough there's like a bunch of girls and I'm like what is 35 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:07.680 happening like that? You should love getting mix the girls and guys, but 36 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:12.039 there's all girls, maybe one other guy, and and I'm just sitting there. 37 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:14.000 I'm like, okay, this is kind of weird, but whatever. 38 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:16.319 Like I don't really pay attention to schedules to definitely didn't pay attention to the 39 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:21.840 name on the schedule. And then I noticed this one poster right here. 40 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:24.680 So this is a boaster called the journey. It's by Greg Ruebottom, and 41 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:30.560 I noticed this poster on the wall. And then shortly after that moment, 42 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:37.719 Miss Rogers came walking out. Super Awesome personality, loud, strong, little 43 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:42.960 adhd seemed, but real organized at the same time and piqued my curiosity and 44 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:45.520 like out there, okay, this is interesting. And she starts talking and 45 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:47.919 she's like welcome to the girls performance arts class and I'm like you got to 46 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:51.520 be joking. I am getting out of here. And so I had like 47 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:55.560 this threeday window to like get out of this class and in within that three 48 00:02:55.639 --> 00:03:00.319 days one I think I won Miss Rogers over a little bit to she won 49 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:02.759 me over because she said here's what, here's the deal she made. She 50 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:06.759 said she found out I played guitar or Bass or something, or I was 51 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:09.919 a musician. She said, if you'll stay in this class for this semester 52 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:14.080 and we're going to do something really cool, I promised, I promise we're 53 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.360 going to do something really cool and if you do, and she knew I 54 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:21.719 really was fond of this poster by this guy, she said, I'm going 55 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:25.400 to give you that poster at the end of the semester. is so this 56 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:30.240 semester. That really I love a bargain, I love a good deal, 57 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:34.199 I love to shake hands and make deals and this was the best deal I've 58 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:37.039 ever made my entire life. And so, anyway, I'm not going to 59 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.520 cry. I said I wouldn't, but it literally changed my life that four 60 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:45.000 months to be to take the journey I've been on, to do all the 61 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:49.360 stuff. And Anyway, I'm happy to have my friend Jennie Rogers on because 62 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:53.039 she means the world to me. Is a huge show. I'm excited to 63 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:54.400 have her on. I said it wasn't going to cry, but I did. 64 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:58.319 Hold on. I got your muted. You can't even talk and save 65 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.759 me from my own tears. All right now, let's go. I'm done 66 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:08.680 crying. I said I wasna Manda Billy, man. That was that was 67 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:14.960 beautiful. That was beautiful and and that is why I'm here. Is becauds, 68 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:19.759 like you, man, I I remember that. I remember, I 69 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:25.759 remember all those days. He's high school is yeah, it's, it's high 70 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:31.399 school. Was One of those experiences where I was lost coming in to you 71 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:36.439 guys. I was lost in my own life and and I looked out there 72 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.399 and I saw that all you guys were lost too. So I felt like 73 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:46.120 we just kind of belong together. And and when it comes to to you 74 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.759 saying it changed for your whole life. You know, I don't really take 75 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:54.360 the credit for that. I think it's being in the right place at the 76 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:59.160 right time. I think we save each other our journeys, you, I'm 77 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:02.720 saying, where whoever comes into our life and we walk into there is somehow 78 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:08.680 we end up saving each other. And so I guess I'm so blessed and 79 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:13.399 I'm so grateful that God did that in your life, because I did get 80 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:16.800 to watch you do something that I that changed my life forever, which means 81 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:23.519 that when we did the for those listening that we we did A and I'm 82 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:26.279 not really sure why it is either. East high school was going through a 83 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:30.879 rough time at that particular era, that decade, our time, a couple 84 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:36.959 of years and there in the school and I remember Mary Rouse the principle said 85 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:41.279 you can do anything you want to do, Jenny, just get make us 86 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:44.560 look good. And I thought to myself, well, we just need you 87 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:46.839 to get out there and sing, man. We just see you get there 88 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:53.759 and sing. And we we put together an album and I and actually you 89 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:57.759 guys wrote the songs on it. Yeah, and I, in fact I 90 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:00.879 have one at my house. Do you have it there? I don't have 91 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:04.319 it. I don't have it. I actually meant to pull the cover because 92 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:10.560 I think the cover picture still on facebook somewhere. I have to I have 93 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:15.319 the CD. I still have in his practiced in my closet somewhere. But 94 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:17.839 but you wrote, you know, you wrote that beautiful worship Song on it 95 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:24.480 and I and we did the concert and sold the album and it was it 96 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:30.240 was just the most unbelievable vulnerable, if I can say that vulnerable time in 97 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:36.199 my life where where everybody did something out of their comfort zone, everybody got 98 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:41.439 away from what should be and en did what is in the moment, how 99 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:44.800 they were feeling in the moment, what they were experiencing in the moment. 100 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:49.240 I mean we had gosh people and kids and ISS that were writing songs for 101 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:53.920 for that CD. You remember that? I mean I was. It's amazing. 102 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:56.800 It seemed like you had the whole school writing songs, like it was 103 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.240 probably was crazy. It was one of the the projects I remember, like 104 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.639 the whole school is like involved this somehow, like everyone's like what do you 105 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:05.959 guys read an album? Because making a CD. Yeah, and you know, 106 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:09.839 it was just fortunate that I was in this girl's performance arts class, 107 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:14.079 which was a huge mistake by myself or someone else, and it turned it 108 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:16.199 and it literally and here's how when people ask me, like what was you 109 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:19.000 know, because I feel like everybody has those moments in their life where it's 110 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:24.079 just this huge pivot, this huge transition, and when people ask me about 111 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:27.480 it, I take them back to that that moment say this was somebody who 112 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:30.759 didn't just walk into a room and say hey, a you can do anything 113 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.240 you want to do, but you literally, as a creator, walked into 114 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:36.680 a room and said, Hey, you can do anything you want to do 115 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:41.399 and I'm going to show you how. And that was that, like absolutely, 116 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.839 it was like that moment of you know, and I'm not a songwriter, 117 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:46.360 I'm not a musician, I mean I've barely played my guitar and like 118 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:50.839 five years, but it opened up this ginormous door. And when I tell 119 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:56.279 people this story, I'm always it's on the back of Hey, your message 120 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:00.199 really does matter and if you want to start up blank a podcast and you 121 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.720 know, a book, you know, blog or whatever like. This is 122 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.720 what it does to people. And I'm that testimony of a person who, 123 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:11.240 if you were in that moment, and now you know, all stars aligned, 124 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:13.480 God, Buddha, whoever people subscribe to, what, whoever you give 125 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.759 the credit to, if you weren't in that moment, I wouldn't be in 126 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:20.480 this one and so and I know that for sure, and that's why it's 127 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:26.120 important for people to get over themselves and create and even doing this for a 128 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:31.040 long time. I mean, you're you're multi you're a musician and a singer, 129 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.240 songwriter. Of I mean me when I say musician. Guys, I'm 130 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:39.519 talking like every instrument you can possibly think of in an author multiple times now, 131 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:43.320 and so I'm excited to to you know, have you on the show 132 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:48.159 and really share your story of like and I'm thinking and I'm thinking fifty nine 133 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:52.919 years, like fifty nine years of creating. My little four months is like 134 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:56.799 a blip on the map, but you've been my mentor for Eighteen years from 135 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.399 those four months of time. Yeah, and you didn't even know it, 136 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:05.960 because we've connected maybe five or six times over the last eighteen years. But 137 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.480 the stuff I learned in that four months is like I carried with me forever. 138 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.080 So, yeah, things I want during my water and cry. Yeah, 139 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:20.120 no, I feel I feel the same tears and but I do. 140 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:24.960 You know, the journey is kind of crazy. I love the fact that 141 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:30.120 you're doing created, creating daily, because that is what that is kind of 142 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:35.360 to me. Our essence as human beings is we're creators. Every single person's 143 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:41.320 a creator. Like I don't everywhere I go, all I see people as 144 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:45.559 people who create, and the only ones who don't are the ones who were 145 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:50.039 told that they shouldn't or that they could. And but we're all creators and 146 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:54.919 and so that's the way God meant. God was we're made in the image 147 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:58.000 of God. God is the great, most unbelievable creator and we're in his 148 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:03.960 image. So we are unbelievable creators. And so, you know, I 149 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:09.879 grew up in a home in which, you know, we were constantly creating. 150 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:16.000 By when I say constantly creating, we were giving freedom, freedom to 151 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:20.120 be, freedom just to if you wanted to be a tree that day you 152 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.600 were a tree. If you wanted to write a song, it didn't matter 153 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:26.080 if you if you, if you could sing or not. I didn't even 154 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:30.039 know I couldn't sing or I didn't know I couldn't play until actually some and 155 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:31.240 said, Oh, I don't think that song is good enough, and I 156 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.480 was like, what do you mean? Is I good enough? For me, 157 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:37.840 that's like great song. And ever, you know, I just I 158 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:43.360 had this idea that that that you were just to take your paint brush and 159 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:50.360 paint the world. And fact that was, I guess. The first album 160 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:54.600 I did was called I believe, and it was way back, I want 161 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.559 to say is before my children were born. So that puts it in one 162 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:01.480 nineteen eighty. I was married in one nineteen and eighty. One and I 163 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:09.200 remember I was a songwriter major at the time and and I remember writing Thomas 164 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:15.000 Song called you are the king of my castle and the hero of my time. 165 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.159 I would you are the king on my castle and they hero. I 166 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:22.080 love my time. And I swear that guy looked at me and he meant 167 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:30.440 what have I done, like why am why am I here with this person 168 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:37.159 everything, but I don't know. I felt like everything that I felt I 169 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:41.000 wanted to I wanted to share and be in community. So that's that's why 170 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:46.799 I'm with you today. Is That's why I'm I actually keep it every single 171 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.240 person I've ever taught or been in my path. I when I see them, 172 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:54.759 I just want to pick up right where we left off, and that 173 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:58.759 means we have another little piece of the path that we can walk together once 174 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:03.200 again. And and then you're stamping me right now like crazy with just what 175 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:09.320 you have created with the show and and in fact I told my son, 176 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:11.240 my oldest one, that was on the podcast last week. I said to 177 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:15.320 bed, I said, man, there is so much we can learn from 178 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:18.759 billy. You know, it's like, while he's in our path, it's 179 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:24.559 this gleam everything that we can clean from his creative journey and and I think 180 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.720 that if we all did that with each other in our lives, just think 181 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:33.960 how rich we would all be. I mean which like each of us would 182 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:37.679 be. We just see, we just would be rich. And so, 183 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:43.679 anyway, I I loved those days at he's high school and I when I 184 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:48.600 when I think about you and and getting up on stage singing that worship song 185 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:54.320 and everybody just hands up in the in the air and and tears streaming down 186 00:12:54.360 --> 00:13:00.679 their face, I thought to myself and this and this is what life's about. 187 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.559 You know, it's not about the money that you make along the way, 188 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:07.720 even though I know prosperity is so important, but I think it's more 189 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:15.480 of providing than prosperity. I think it's provisionary. It's so that is so 190 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.960 that you can provide more for other people and and create more so that you 191 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.799 can provide more. So I think it's more a provisionary and and that's the 192 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.960 way I looked at teaching. For those that are listening, is you know, 193 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:31.279 I did go into the world to be a singer songwriter and and I 194 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:37.840 can't I really, really really wanted to be one of those amy grants on 195 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:45.039 stage and singing my song and and I remember pitching and and and having a 196 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:50.519 catalog of songs and pitching out two different artists and and I would be like 197 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:54.600 I would be on the road, but I never actually make it, like 198 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.759 I would have like three or four songs what I would call in a catalog, 199 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:03.360 but none of them actually made it. Maybe this America took one of 200 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:07.000 my songs. I forgot she did it on the road for a while. 201 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:11.120 But anyway, when that happened, I realized, you know, I need 202 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:16.559 to do something that I could, I could provide more, become more creative 203 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.840 and actually provide more for people. And that's when I went into teaching, 204 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.480 and it was not it was probably the greatest decision I ever made, because 205 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:33.639 it's like I have have all these friends along my my growing up as a 206 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.639 mom. I just had all these other kids that join me and my family 207 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:43.879 and it was it's it's amazing. I Love I retired a couple of years 208 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:48.360 ago. I don't know if you knew that, but I retired at sixty 209 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.960 two and that was really hard to leave the school system because I was leaving 210 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:56.960 kids like you. And when I say that they were at Belmont doing music 211 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:03.120 at kids would you would have never, ever, ever thought that they would 212 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:09.960 sing like one kid that just graduate from Etsu I remembers freshman year. He 213 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.360 sat there with his head down and never, like I don't think anything came 214 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.639 out of his mouth. Well, he was so painful, like I thought 215 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:22.600 to myself, he probably should be homeschooled because this is not working. He's 216 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:24.879 going to get killed at you. He's going killed it. Do Dobbin spen 217 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.039 it. I mean, that's how it's a I mean it's a school. 218 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.720 You got to be able to make your voice like at least say some. 219 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:37.200 And and this guy, and I I mean I can't even tell you what 220 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:43.480 he's done musically that he he's sang literally in every quartet, started bands, 221 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:50.720 has his own recording studio, auditioned to be a part of this amazing Acapella 222 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:56.440 National Group, and and I just I just look at him and even and 223 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:00.120 right now we had a conversation a couple weeks ago. I forgot. Oh, 224 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:04.399 I was with Mama Bear, I was I was with my book in 225 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:10.600 a signing. Yeah, I was with my book and assigning. I looked 226 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:15.320 up and there was Isaiah Bishop and I went, oh my gosh, and 227 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:18.399 he said, Um, he goes, I want one of your books and 228 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:19.879 I said, well, I want what are your CDs? I was like, 229 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:23.080 this is like we were just like who you're what are you doing? 230 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:26.840 And he actually is now going into the police force. He's going to be 231 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:33.120 a COP, and I wants to actually be a and FBI and everything. 232 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:40.360 It's just like it's just it's just living and and connecting with people. So 233 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:45.919 to me that's what creativity does. It allows, it allows connection. So 234 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:49.240 if you didn't have this show, we would not be connecting, we just 235 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:56.559 would. Yeah, you know I'm saying. Your creativity has allowed me to 236 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:00.840 stay in contact with you, and it's the same thing that connects, you 237 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:04.400 know, Gosh, everyone in my family, but even those that I meet 238 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:12.519 just randomly with, with Gosh, entrepreneur like groups like hope that our five 239 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:18.680 hundred and one three CS there groups are out there helping other kids. Are 240 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:23.279 Paths Cross in the vein of creativity. Let's create an event, let's create 241 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:29.680 something that would help these kids get from A to B, and or let's 242 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:33.599 teach them how to shop and then let me connect you with another group. 243 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:37.000 That and now all that is creativity. So it's just a great show. 244 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:41.359 What you're doing is amazing. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate the kind 245 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:45.319 words and I totally agree. I think that you know when you lean into 246 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.079 that creativity or you learn to be a creator. You know, I think 247 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:52.000 some people don't have that atmosphere where it's encouraged in the in their mom tells 248 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:53.519 them. My Kid, you want to be a treaty day, go be 249 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:57.480 a tree. But like there's so when you get into those moments? Let 250 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:00.759 me ask you this and then I do want to move Vaughan and talk about, 251 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.519 you know, your journey is an author and your new book, because 252 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.720 I love it, I think you know. Thank you for send it to 253 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:10.480 me. But when you, and I know that you probably had these moments 254 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:11.720 where you just like, I know, I want to create something, but 255 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.119 I just don't know what it is. How do you get inspired? Like, 256 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.799 how do you how would you tell somebody if they feel like it's on 257 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:21.000 the inside of them but they don't get it out, what tool do they 258 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:26.279 use to mind that thing out of their own life? The first thing that 259 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:30.279 comes to my mind is is a window. You know, a lot of 260 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:34.960 people, a lot of people look at what they want to do in a 261 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:38.160 mirror and they look at themselves and says, okay, I want to do 262 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:41.039 this, I want to do this, and all they do is see themselves 263 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:47.640 and and to me that blocks the very thing that is inspiring. Not that 264 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:51.400 I don't think you are inspiring, but where do you get that inspiration? 265 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:55.559 You get it by looking outside of Dang window. You know is looking out. 266 00:18:55.559 --> 00:19:00.880 And so when I want to be creative, which is every day, 267 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:04.880 every minute of my life. Literally, I'm not even lying, I I'd 268 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:10.759 like to know. I know I might tell people that I I I am 269 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:18.200 creating as I'm going to bed and I like I'm creating. This is stupid, 270 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:22.240 but like I have this little horseshoe I sleep in and, like Tom 271 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:26.599 Literally, I'm sure every day, if you're listening out there, the Tom 272 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:33.400 Rodgers of the world, who are normal, logical, very successful, you're 273 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:37.839 looking at somebody like me. I I really get off on I'm fixing my 274 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:44.920 bad like with this pillow horseshoe that keeps me like cuddled and and then I'll 275 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:48.839 put a heating pad and then I'll put this pillow and Nestle it in there, 276 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:53.359 and then I honestly I get in the I get in the freaking bed 277 00:19:53.400 --> 00:20:00.559 and I'm like going, this is this, this is increible, like I 278 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.640 created a little nest to go to bed and at night, and then I'll 279 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:11.079 put my little noisemaker on and and, you know, take my little Mellowtonin 280 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.799 and I'm like, I'm like kissing the world and go on this. This 281 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:21.759 has been a great day. So there is like I wake up and I'm 282 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:23.640 even thinking, I know, it sounds crazy, there's no win in the 283 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:32.279 world out there. Whoever thinks about which coffee Mug with best described by the 284 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:34.960 day I want to have. All right, and I am I feeling like 285 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.680 am I feeling like like a glass? Okay, this is this is an 286 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:44.759 example. I met my creative desk that I created, but this morning I 287 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:48.039 felt like a glass coffee, like it had to be glass. And I 288 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:51.720 don't know why, but I looked at this when I was like God, 289 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:55.440 it's just like a clear day, like yeah, I'm feeling really clear. 290 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:59.759 And then so I have that cup of coffee and then I went and then 291 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:02.839 I I you know, I well, I went to this because I always 292 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:06.799 have. I always feel like if I have the words starbucks somewhere in my 293 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:08.519 day, then I'm and so I have it in my cup, but I 294 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:12.839 have it full of water and then and and it's pink. And that's not 295 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:15.920 by a mistake, billy. The pink is not by mistake. Yeah, 296 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:21.519 like I had three choices. I had a blue, one agreement in a 297 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:25.559 pin point. And you asked me about creativity and like how you get inspired. 298 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:29.720 Well, I just look at the color, like I decide what color 299 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:33.160 and is inspired for today. Because, yeah, I don't think that it 300 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:37.960 has to be the happy pink. Does that make sense? I think it 301 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:44.279 could be. I love the earth tones. In fact, my website that 302 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:48.680 actually launched today. So I hope we get to share that. The website 303 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:55.200 launched today and and I'm sure that this check was going. Man, I 304 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:59.359 hope I never meet another Jennie Rogers again, because it was like daily, 305 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:06.039 I was daily I was recreating that website with her, like I was a 306 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:10.200 different color. No, one day I was great the dead. Next day 307 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:14.160 I was like just very mellowed out with maybe the earth tones, because some 308 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:18.680 days, some days, I am so Earth Mama. Yeah, that like 309 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:22.720 it scares me. Like let's go to woodstock and let's just like, let's 310 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:26.000 just like, let's just plant ourselves in the tent, you know, is 311 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:30.319 saying, yeah, get, get the Bell Bottoms Dawn, which are not 312 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:36.039 too far from this chair. Okay, and they'll bell bottoms. In fact, 313 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:41.440 I thought about putting the earrings on for this. But that creativity starts 314 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.000 in the morning and then like the afternoon. I'm in this Cup right now 315 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:49.440 and I don't and it's this word doesn't mean anything, and I so I'd 316 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:52.559 it's like a cat cup or something. But I like the fact that was 317 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.799 earthtones. And then I it's just crazy. I love it. I love 318 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:00.960 that I created all day. You asked me what inspires me. That was 319 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:07.039 your question. Yep, and you cannot look in the mirror for inspiration. 320 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:11.119 You cannot look in there and go, okay, dump, dump the DA, 321 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:11.799 Dum Da, Da, DA, Da, Da, DA, dad. 322 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:18.400 You can't do the rocky theme and make it happen. Is that you? 323 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:22.359 You you have to fall into creativity like you would, like you were 324 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:29.039 going, like you were on a mountain and the the dawn of a new 325 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:33.240 day is jumping off. Wow, and and the dawn of a new day 326 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:38.799 like you get up and and I didn't. And just for everybody to know 327 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:45.880 that that I didn't get that on my own. You know, if my 328 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:49.920 mother was sitting here and she's eighty six and an assisted living, you would 329 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:56.880 swear, billy, that you were listening and watching Jenny Rodgers. You would, 330 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:00.759 you swear. You would swear now it off Kell you. Well, 331 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:08.240 you know Kelly and I again, there's nobody more creative, creative from the 332 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:15.599 morning that chick wakes up until she goes to bed with with everything that she 333 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:21.279 sees like it's up. You just can't look in the mirror. And I'm 334 00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:25.480 I think so many people do that. And and and, yeah, that's 335 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:30.119 scary. That's where fear comes is when you look in the mirror and and 336 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:34.200 you see the limitations. Yeah, and I and there, and and there 337 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:41.759 are like if I right now, right now, if I exchanged my eyes 338 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:48.920 from you to me, I'm I'm inspired when I look out to you and 339 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:53.039 I can do anything because I'm looking at you. Well, but when I 340 00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:57.799 turn in, I look at this screen and I'm looking at me, I 341 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:04.680 want to a I want to run. My personality would be to hide, 342 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:11.680 because I'm not one who who's like really, I look like an extrovert, 343 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:15.720 but I'm really not. I would I would go to my room. If 344 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:17.799 I looked at me, I go to my room, but if I look 345 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:19.799 at you, I go running, you know, I and I wouldn't care 346 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:22.480 what I look like and I wouldn't care what it was, because all I 347 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:30.400 saw was somebody to do it with. And I think that's I think that's 348 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:37.000 where creativity comes is is out the window, you know, is open it 349 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:42.680 up. Like it my desk. I I I positioned my desk with behind 350 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:48.799 me is this huge window and I'm in the basement, and the basement just 351 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.640 because that was the only room to put a big table for a computer, 352 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:57.599 but I made sure that it was in front of a window so that I 353 00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:03.519 could look out and I could see things that change a treaty, the things 354 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:11.680 that have movement and things that are real and and I think creativity is in 355 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.720 things that are real. MMM YEA, and they're in real there and they're 356 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:19.160 in the real and I don't care if they are ugly that day. Because, 357 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:23.799 you know, like like in my book, the one of the reasons 358 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:30.160 I wrote, I started the meditations, was actually for your age group. 359 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.599 You know. I wrote it for those, for those kids who are actually 360 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:40.279 coming into this point in their life where they they realized, oh my gosh, 361 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:45.200 I do have to jump off the freaking cliff and now I need look 362 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.720 at myself, you know, and see if I'm fully equipped, and then 363 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:52.279 they look at themselves, Smar to see if I'm, you know, physically 364 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:56.240 ready. They look at themselves some more and by time they keep looking at 365 00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:02.720 themselves that they can't. They're frozen it, you know. They're there stifled, 366 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:06.440 they're there in fear. They're thinking, well, what if something else 367 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:11.839 comes up that are suits me, and and and there's just is nothing else 368 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:17.759 in the world but this moment. There's no but there's no better, there's 369 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:22.200 nothing, there's nothing better than what we have right today. Like if I 370 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:26.640 if this is the last moment that I've got man on this earth, the 371 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:30.240 last moment, I cannot think of a better way you spend it than with 372 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.079 you, man, I couldn't think, like, I don't want to cry 373 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:38.519 or anything, but there's like I would have lived the best moment because I 374 00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:47.839 lived it being alive, you know, and truly disinvesting my in community, 375 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:52.559 in and in dreams. You know. Does that help with where where created 376 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:56.119 and inspiration is? Yes, I love it. One you know, a 377 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.559 couple of takeaways from this. I understand my wife better because she is the 378 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.079 Pur she's a graphic designer, website developer, all those fun nerdy things, 379 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.440 and so she looks at Color Palettes for fun. Like I walk into the 380 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:10.480 to the kitchen, she's sitting at the coffee table, kitchen table, with 381 00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:15.079 her laptop open looking at pantone colors and I'm just like, do not understand 382 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.279 what's happening right now. But she is inspired by that and I think, 383 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:21.920 you know, I think the takeaway, the biggest one, is is like 384 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.480 allow yourself to be inspired by all the things, even if it's a coffee 385 00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:27.079 mug with a cat on it, it makes no sense, or if it's 386 00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.839 the you know, like whatever. I I think that is so many times 387 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:37.680 we're looking for the motivational speaker, this per we're looking for people in all 388 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:40.960 the time to like do something for us. But I love how you say 389 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:42.200 like I just wake up and decide like Oh, how do I feel, 390 00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.599 and you know, like talking about it. I have this Larry the Limon 391 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:48.200 Mug. I don't it's going to there we go. Yeah, I got 392 00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.680 it. Yeah, so this is my face, since I have a limit, 393 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:53.319 and so on. INSTAGRAM. When I promote something, I always use 394 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:56.880 Larry the limbit, like hey, guys, wear the limit over here, 395 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.759 like it's something stupid. It's a filter on ig but I like literally get 396 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.640 this Mug because it makes me happy because I think Larry the Limbon, in 397 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:07.400 my mind he's a fictional, you know thing or whatever. I just think 398 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:11.039 he's like so funny. Some always going to have the you know. I 399 00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:15.440 like like this Mug for that reason. So let me ask you this question. 400 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:21.680 We I titled this show the Woods and then fifty nine years of being 401 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:25.880 a creator or something of that nature, and the reason why I did that 402 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.680 is because one for people listening or watching this every time I send a guest 403 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.240 and by, I asked him, give me a few things that you would 404 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.119 like to talk about, like I'm not coming up with all the topics and 405 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.839 subjects, I'm trying to dive into what people want to bring and so one 406 00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:45.119 of those things on there was the woods, and then I asked another question. 407 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:47.880 How long have you been creating? And you said for fifty nine years, 408 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:51.599 which I was like wow, what a what a you know, crazy 409 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:55.759 thing to do. So we kind of talked about the lifelong Creator Journey. 410 00:29:55.799 --> 00:30:00.720 But what is the woods? What is this all about? Well, actually, 411 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:07.480 in my website the opening page is welcome to my woods and and I 412 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:15.400 guess, I guess I would never have have come up with woods as a 413 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:22.160 description of my life, but the older I get and I'm not and I'm 414 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:26.240 still not out of them. You know when you're like, when you're then 415 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.880 I'm just going to say, okay, this must be where I'm supposed to 416 00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.599 be forever. It's called the woods man. So now I've turned the woods 417 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:41.039 into welcome man, welcome woods. It's a good place, it's a it's 418 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:45.640 good, whereas the woods. So I'm going to define for you the woods 419 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:52.359 when I when I was your age, you're still your twenties. Right now 420 00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:56.359 I'm thirty five. I'll be thirty six. That's right, your Kelly. 421 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.039 Okay, okay, good, okay, okay, good, this is this 422 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:06.400 is exactly for you. Okay. So when you're in your S, probably 423 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:12.039 mid twenties, you you don't, you actually have your first welcome to the 424 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.119 Wilderness, like, okay, you know, your mid twenties. You're out 425 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:19.920 at college all of a sudden and most people hit welcome to the woods a 426 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.279 lot earlier. In fact, I've taught high schoolers who are in the freak 427 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.960 of woods and they're only fifteen. You know, I'm saying that they were 428 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:33.200 they were just launched out there and and then coaching them and helping navigate them 429 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:37.480 through it, I'm still in it and I'm thinking, well then I'll eventually 430 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:41.000 for sure, you know, get out. But when I, you know, 431 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.480 after having the kids and it's an and you're just like more tangled in 432 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:49.640 in what you cannot see. The Woods represent the things that you don't know. 433 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:55.480 I'm just going to say that the woods is what you don't know and 434 00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.079 like mystery place, like it's just the unknown, right. It is that 435 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:07.200 and and and and if you could tie that into the value of of embracing 436 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:13.920 the woods, the the value of that in being creative, the value of 437 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:17.920 it, then more than more people would be willing to be creative. Do 438 00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:22.480 you understand? But people, people who want to create, they want to 439 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:27.119 know. They want to know what's out what they can accomplish with it. 440 00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:30.799 They want to know it's going to be, you know, semi profitable. 441 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.599 They want to know things. They want to they first they want to know 442 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.640 if it's good or not. Good. They want to know how people are 443 00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:42.279 going to see them and and that's not the way it's going to be. 444 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:47.920 When you're when you create something, you're creating that drives me crazy. When 445 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:52.680 you put it on, just me, Oh, I love it, okay, 446 00:32:52.759 --> 00:33:00.720 we just me up little pattern interrupts there, oh, like whoa. 447 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.359 Well, but no, when you put it, when you're in the woods 448 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.599 and when you embrace it, then you can be creative in it. When 449 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:14.480 you think that it's got to be a clear vision and and everything is clear 450 00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.759 to you so that you can, oh, I see this white Palette to 451 00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:22.279 create what I want to create. The answer is, you'll never create and 452 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:29.559 you you have to be willing to not know and not see everything. And 453 00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:35.359 then as you create, there's like little light that comes through some of those 454 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:40.359 trees, just a little gleam of light, and you're going to know that 455 00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:45.880 that's that Aha of wonder. Oh Man, I wonder if it's over here, 456 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:50.480 and then you start kind of going in that direction and then it kind 457 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.000 of clouds up, but you see something else and it kind of moves you. 458 00:33:53.119 --> 00:34:02.960 And so it's it's most important in life to know that being in the 459 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:12.719 woods and not knowing everything that you wanted, that you want to know that 460 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:16.599 that's exactly where you're supposed to be. That's where the most creative that's the 461 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:22.199 most creative place to be, because that's how you can write, that's how 462 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:30.840 you can that's how you can paint the picture, that's how you can cut, 463 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:36.360 discover, you know, those invent diagnos. Think about you know, 464 00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:38.920 like my husband, he's a physician. Okay, how does he diagnose? 465 00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:45.239 Do you know how he diagnoses someone in the will it it when there is 466 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:52.760 just nothing but total trees blocking the solution? There's they've got this disease, 467 00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:54.920 this disease, this disease, they've got the high blood pressure, they've got 468 00:34:54.960 --> 00:35:00.239 this, they can't tolerate this, they can't tolerate and then in all of 469 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:07.960 those woods he's got to come up with a creative way to help them feel 470 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:14.239 better. Yeah, well, to help to help them get optimal health out 471 00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:17.199 of that. What do they need to eliminate? What they so when I'm 472 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:24.519 saying I don't care what job you're in, I think if if you go 473 00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:30.159 into it knowing what you need to know, then you are probably in the 474 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:34.320 wrong place. Wow, you're just you're going to end up being. Well, 475 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.880 you're going to be depressed. Yeah, bored depressed. You're going to 476 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.599 feel unappreciated, you're going to feel all those things. Do you know why? 477 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.519 Is because the work that you have to do, the creative work have 478 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:51.840 to do, has to overpower the compensation. That's where passion comes from, 479 00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:57.199 you know. Is that like I'm not thinking about about the money that I'm 480 00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.920 going to get back. I'm thinking about how am I going to navigate these 481 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:05.960 woods and create something out of that? And that is that is my passion. 482 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.280 If, if I already knew it all and I was waiting for just 483 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:15.880 the paycheck, then I'm I'm bored because I wasn't using that creative being that 484 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.800 I am. And and and you end up just moving from job to job 485 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:23.480 to job. Is because it's because you've met you, you want to know 486 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:28.639 everything. And Yeah, I look. I love that because I was that 487 00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:31.880 person in my S. I was that person my early s where, you 488 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:35.280 know, even though I own a business, I would still be working for 489 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.639 other people because I was like putting out fillers, because I was really too 490 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.079 afraid to admit what I wanted to do is to be a creator, to 491 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:46.119 to do this, to come podcast and live streams and media, and so 492 00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:50.199 I think you're, you know, a hundred percent correct. It's like, 493 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.679 you know, just be okay with making that decision and not being and I 494 00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:57.880 don't know. You know, I'm sitting here right now creating this daily show 495 00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:01.000 that takes a ball a lot of my band with that makes me zero dollars. 496 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.760 If people go, how are you going to make money with this, 497 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.599 and I go, I don't know, I just do it. But two 498 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:09.320 years ago I also sort of fishing PODC I said no idea how it is 499 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:13.599 going to make money and we just launched. Then we got sponsor. That 500 00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:15.039 was awesome. At another sponsor, that was great. Got More sponsors, 501 00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:19.480 that's perfect. Now we watched a membership group. It's bringing in thousands of 502 00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.840 dollars one week one, which is just amazing. And so, you know, 503 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.679 I didn't have all those answers, though I still don't have all the 504 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:29.559 answers. I just know what I want and my wife is, like, 505 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:34.039 Ashley is just so she's been doing this for like ten years, like she's 506 00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.599 been telling me for ten years, honey, just do what you want to 507 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.639 do. Yeah, you did the natural stuff. Yeah, all the other 508 00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:43.360 stuff will come. And you know I mean she crushes it. Her businesses 509 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.159 is crushing it and she's not a business person. She doesn't make cells phone 510 00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:49.000 calls, doesn't even take calls like people like let's jump on, zoom, 511 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.239 calls, shake, Nope, you can tell me an email or I'm not 512 00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.480 doing the project. She said. Wows, like she's wow, that's her 513 00:37:54.559 --> 00:38:00.360 own rules, and so it's just amazing, you know. But she's not 514 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:02.880 always trying to figure out what is the answer before I even see the problem. 515 00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:07.079 And I've I was always like that. So I love that you said 516 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:09.840 that. So let's transition a little bit because, well, wait, I 517 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:14.440 want to tag one fle thing on and that one little section will tag. 518 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:22.800 One thing let's get is that you you can be creative monetary like with money, 519 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:27.880 like, in other words, my creative mind does think. Okay, 520 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.280 how am I going like, how can I make the money from this? 521 00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:36.719 How can I and and create that? So anothers I don't I don't want 522 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.360 to separate that bit because that always, I don't mind saying, but that 523 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:46.199 always just really ticked me off when people thought that creative people were lazy and 524 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:52.079 they didn't care about starts. Yeah, yeah, the starving guards story. 525 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.440 I just first of all, it makes me angry, you know, because 526 00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:01.960 that is belittling the value of what we do. And there is, and 527 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:09.320 I don't mind telling everybody in the world, there is absolutely not one dollar 528 00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:17.159 they can place that would match the value of my being, of what, 529 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:22.960 of what it is I've experienced, what I know knowledge. There's like, 530 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:27.039 you can't, there's no dollar bill for that. There's only creative ways of 531 00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:31.480 making it. But there is no, you can't, you can't put a 532 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:36.639 price tag on that. So I I don't like starving artist. I don't 533 00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:39.239 like saying, okay, create a people just sit around and they they just 534 00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:44.000 think it's gonna happen some way. I don't know how. I mean, 535 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:45.719 let's go to join. I'm no, I just you know, I just, 536 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:52.800 I just it does happen. It's like be intentional about in your creativity, 537 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:54.320 about how you want to monetize that or you know, do you want 538 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:55.880 to? Do you want to? You know, how do you want to 539 00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.280 make money from it? Who Do you who is your audience? How do 540 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:04.760 you want to build your audience? How do you want to serve them, 541 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.480 and do you want to make money from that, and how much and how 542 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:14.119 much do you want to launch that to the next level? So I think 543 00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.079 all of that is part of creativity and there's none of there's none, nothing 544 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:21.360 wrong with any of it. I just don't want anyone to fall into the 545 00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:29.519 trap of thinking that it's okay to be creative. The value of it, 546 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:36.119 yeah, up there is. There is value in and creative, in being 547 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.199 creative. There's value in it. And I'll tell you who got the raw 548 00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:43.840 deal. That is mother's, you know, stay at home moms. You 549 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:50.800 know, they got they got really belittled because they were not making money and, 550 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:52.559 you know, while they were stay, you know, at they were 551 00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:59.559 taking care of the kids and and I just think that those judgments are are 552 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:06.840 inaccurate. They're inaccurate because you cannot, you cannot put that you can't put 553 00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:13.079 a dollar bill on on people who are who are being creative in whatever they 554 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.480 are, you know, whatever they are, whatever they're doing, is that. 555 00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:22.559 There's no but I do feel that you you part of your responsibility with 556 00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:27.079 your creativity is to be a good steward of it, to find its value 557 00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.760 and to not be afraid to name its monetary value. Like what, how 558 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.159 much is the show worth? You know what? I believe that it serves 559 00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:39.599 this I find a way to to be able to strategize the number of listeners 560 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:47.920 who are being launched to the next level or actually being being advised as a 561 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.199 teacher, like I'm teaching right now, type of thing. You're teaching, 562 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:57.760 you know. It's like you're the facilitator and I'm teaching and you're telling me 563 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.360 that that is that value of this show. It is is tremendous, and 564 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:06.559 the more that you put up, you put its value in what what we 565 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:14.679 would call economic ways, then I think that makes that makes our world of 566 00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:22.320 being creative daily, that kind of whatever, more real. Yeah, like 567 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.480 out in the workplace. Does that make sense? Yeah, because I know, 568 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:27.960 I know for a lot of people this says it look like I'm out 569 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:31.119 in the workplace, but I go to work every day. Well, I 570 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:36.079 mean I taught, but just because when I finished teaching and I went into 571 00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:44.679 the creative design of additeeing and and writing and doing your final cut pro and 572 00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:52.119 putting together videos, I had to creatively decide what is the value of that? 573 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:54.480 The government did the government didn't do it. Like in teaching. The 574 00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:59.280 government says you get this amount of dollars for going in the door and teaching 575 00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:04.440 these kids, and I had to be creative and deciding how much that work 576 00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.960 that I was doing and the knowledge that I knew to put into it was 577 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:13.320 worse. So all those creative people be be a good steward or steward and 578 00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.480 value yourself. Value Yourself. Yeah, I think it's great and you know 579 00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.000 and we can't, I won't get into this, but I do think that 580 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.519 there's a system that as creators and what I would call hypercreators, people who 581 00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:27.519 like want to do this, you know, for a living, or full 582 00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:30.679 time creators or whatever you whatever you say. It's like there is this fight 583 00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:35.599 of of this system that was built for us to go work for other people 584 00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:38.239 and work in factories and do all these things in the educational system, and 585 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:44.639 it really is that point of hey, everything on this earth was created by 586 00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:49.719 someone or something like every I don't care what corporation or a factory or nine 587 00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.880 to five job or whatever you want to call it, there was a person, 588 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:57.679 you know, to help create that, that environment, that culture, 589 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.800 that economy, whatever it is. And so I agree a hundred percent that 590 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:07.280 people should think about monetization of their creativity very early on. I mean I 591 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:09.480 think about it before I ever hit the record button, like absolutely. I 592 00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:13.159 might say Dag a little and say I don't know how creating daily is going 593 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.119 to make money, but I have a plan. It worked. Maybe maybe 594 00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:21.639 not, but I totally agree. But I do want to give some plenty 595 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:24.079 of time for your book because I know we brought you on. You're such 596 00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:28.880 a just a wealth of knowledge and so many years of creation, but you 597 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:32.760 created this awesome book that I want to really appreciate that. You sent it 598 00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.840 to me all the way down here in Puerto Rico, and I don't know 599 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:39.119 if you meant to do this or not, but you put a little note 600 00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:43.880 in there that was talking about being on the show with the with the bookmark 601 00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:49.320 in you put it on this page number fifty four. In it's like, 602 00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.760 I don't know if you want to read it. I don't think I'm going 603 00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:53.800 to read it, but I love it. Like, I don't know if 604 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:58.639 you meant to do that. I don't know if you well this put it 605 00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:00.840 in there, but I want to. I've you to see what it is. 606 00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:05.280 I'll tell you, because normally I do absolutely I meant that. Okay, 607 00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:09.119 that about brave heart. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, there's no question. 608 00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:15.920 There's like when I actually hand people blocks is I know. Well, 609 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:22.679 let me let me explain just to the people listening what Mama met there meditations 610 00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:30.360 is intended to be. You know, I started out with a mentor of 611 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:35.159 mine, as his name is Jamie winship, and he was at one of 612 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:43.599 his conferences and he said everyone has at least ten people that they are influence, 613 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.519 that they are, that they are in, that they influence daily, 614 00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:52.039 influence that they their path influences them, ten people all the time. Now 615 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.840 those ten people may change, you know, different times when you're teaching. 616 00:45:54.840 --> 00:46:00.159 It's quite a few, but everybody can name about ten people in which their 617 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:07.239 lives directly influence and he said he just stopped at the end of this conference 618 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:14.880 and he said do something with those ten. Be Intentional. He said, 619 00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:19.079 I don't, I'm not telling you what to do. I'm just saying be 620 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:25.119 intentional about your influence with those ten. And that means your awareness is that 621 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:32.119 your your life affects theirs. And so because of that, maybe you want 622 00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:36.840 to be intentional and I'm going to. I'm going to remember their birthdays. 623 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:42.760 Maybe I'll be intentional by one some you know, maybe once a month I'll 624 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.920 I'll take them to lunch or something. Yet I don't know, be intentional 625 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:51.480 about about praying for them, knowing what it is, knowing the place where 626 00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:54.559 they hurt. So when he said that, I thought to Myself, Oh, 627 00:46:54.639 --> 00:47:00.320 I've got ten, I've got I've got ten and and I, you 628 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:05.840 know, I really concentrated when I teach. So everybody knows I'm a choral 629 00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:09.320 director. I will, I will write off the bat say that every person 630 00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:14.880 who has had me as a teacher Coralie has found out very quickly that I'm 631 00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:19.719 not a coral director, that that I did, that I you know that. 632 00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.719 I that I didn't grow up doing, you know, doing this. 633 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:28.880 I just didn't. In fact, I looked videos to go, okay, 634 00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:34.360 I've got this, and then I just do this and then this. Anything. 635 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:38.320 But no, that. What I did know I was was a person 636 00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:44.480 who could connect with people. I knew that that I could connect with the 637 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:49.719 person and so if I could connect with them through music, which is what 638 00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:54.480 I did know something about educationally, then then I could be a good teacher. 639 00:47:55.360 --> 00:48:00.360 But I will say that this is totally different. This when I went 640 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:04.159 to the ten people that I influence. I did not. I didn't want 641 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:08.960 to throw them music because we weren't in a classroom. So I thought, 642 00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:14.719 what is it that I want to do, and I thought I want to 643 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:21.159 I want to be vulnerable with myself. I Want I want to actually say 644 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:25.039 the things I want to say. But I'm now that I'm sixty four, 645 00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:30.360 I can't say I'm not with those people and it's not. You know, 646 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:31.960 you have to say what you want to say at the time. You need 647 00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:36.840 to say it that and you just don't have those moments. And so I 648 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:40.599 thought, I'm going to have a moment in a text message and I'm going 649 00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:45.679 to pick ten people and I'm going to write to them. Ten people in 650 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:50.639 a group, but I'm going to write to them, but it's going to 651 00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:58.400 be I'm just going to let them see me opening up myself to my creator 652 00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:02.760 and I'm going to actually give them a this part of my mind that that 653 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:09.599 is questioning what I did as a young mother or as even as throughout my 654 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:14.239 life, all the decisions I've made, my marriage, my you know, 655 00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:19.000 my kids, and I'm just going to stop for a moment and I'm going 656 00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:22.519 to I'm going to undo it and I'm going to lay it out there and 657 00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:27.599 I'm going to tell them what I I think. I think now, you 658 00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:30.480 know, now that I look back and I see and but I I didn't 659 00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:31.599 want to. I did want to look down. But Anyway, I'm going 660 00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:36.199 to take I want to take two because I am going to I love brave 661 00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:40.719 hearts, one of my very favorite before and before you do that, yeah, 662 00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:43.920 I do want to say when I read this book it was kind of 663 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.679 interesting because I got it as a thirty five, thirty, thirty five year 664 00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:50.760 old man and I was like yes, you know, I was like his 665 00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:52.840 you know, I mean an assumption. I mean assumption that, hey, 666 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.760 honey, maybe you should read this because you're Mama, you know whatever, 667 00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.519 tot liar, maybe gay mistake, big mistake, it sakes mistake. I 668 00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:06.000 started reading it and I'm like yeah, and I know you and I you 669 00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:07.960 know, I know of you and I've been familiar. I've been kept, 670 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.960 you know, keeping up with the Rogers clan for a while. So, 671 00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:15.079 you know, one I read it from Your Voice Perspective in my head and 672 00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:16.719 then all of a sudden, after I was reading it for a minute, 673 00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:21.599 I'm like, holy cow, this is me, because it was like it 674 00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.920 was like it was like I knew this was you right about your situation, 675 00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:29.360 but then all of a suddenly transformed into me and I was like, okay, 676 00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:31.400 this is amazing. So yeah, I would love for you to share 677 00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.559 and I think you know, everybody should go get one of these books first 678 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:37.440 of all, before even start reading it, like before you even read it. 679 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:40.000 It's got my recommendation. I can't put it down. I've already read 680 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:44.719 it, reread it and you know, I keep going back to these pages 681 00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:49.480 and it's in is amazing product. And so Mama Bear Meditationscom is the place 682 00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:52.000 for people to go right I just I think I checked now. That's it. 683 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:54.760 And if they if you want to read some of the meditations right now. 684 00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:59.239 You want to read where my heart was and I hope that it just 685 00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.000 connects to where your heart is. And that's kind of where what I was 686 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:07.880 is is I wanted to be at a let, at a depth of a 687 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:14.519 vulnerable place, that it would meet someone else's vulnerable place and they could they 688 00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:22.000 could feel that and and then they would have that conversation with with God, 689 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:27.719 with their with the spirit within them, that that voice, and they can 690 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:31.880 kind of they can actually be real. Do you understand what? So my 691 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:37.880 I'most set it up by this one that I was writing about walls and U 692 00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:44.920 and I and usually the way that I sit in this meditation time, I 693 00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:50.360 don't really plan on writing. It's just that I'm looking out that that window 694 00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:54.199 and I could be moving around or in the world or whatever. And and 695 00:51:54.360 --> 00:52:02.400 there is there is an an experience that that stirs an emotion in me that 696 00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:07.400 I didn't know I had. That emotion. I didn't know I did. 697 00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:09.440 Like another, it's just letter by no. Right now I'm I'm in this 698 00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:15.880 on that bench and you'll look at my my website to see on that bench 699 00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:23.280 and I'm I'm meditating on the word jaded, because I have never ever considered 700 00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:31.199 myself to be jaded or cynical. I just haven't. So. But at 701 00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:36.119 there was there. I was reading a little bit of Rachel held's and then 702 00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:43.679 I was out and then I had this emotion in me that felt jaded, 703 00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:49.960 that I've never thought I was like, oh my gosh, I feel this 704 00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.360 well and I I want to, I want to, I want to stay 705 00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:59.000 right there and understand, understand that part of me, that part that maybe 706 00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:04.000 I have not gotten out so it's actually it's actually the stillness inside your soul, 707 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.960 but the meditation on walls. I started out. We all have walls, 708 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:12.480 ways to keep people at a distance. God Forbid, they know how 709 00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:16.519 we really feel, what you really think, what you would be doing if 710 00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:20.480 you were just being you. And that's all I want to read about that. 711 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.840 It's just like, you know, God forbid, they know who you 712 00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:30.280 really you, who you really are, and that is that is how I 713 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:34.960 wanted to communicate with these ten people, you know, on and I would 714 00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:39.639 be writing it on my notes and and really talk to them about tearing down 715 00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:45.440 walls, not being afraid, like how? But I took it from my 716 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:50.559 own you know, is how complicated and we're programmed buy so many people to 717 00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:54.000 think a certain way and you just keep moving and you keep moving in life 718 00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:57.880 and keep moving. And what I want to do is that so that you 719 00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:02.320 don't move so fast that you get to be my age and and and you're 720 00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:09.719 just all bottle, a bottled up mess because you haven't been still enough during 721 00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:15.840 those years of living to to undo what the world is doing. And you, 722 00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:20.320 without you even knowing it, the world right now is just so messing 723 00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:22.519 with you. The world is mess you. People mess with you. I'm 724 00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:25.760 messing with you, you know. I'm saying like I can be messing you. 725 00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:30.000 It's like you've got to be still and you got to have that moment 726 00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:37.519 of undoing what happened today and and and processing it through a filter of love, 727 00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:44.239 that that you can see things in wonder rather than seeing things in resentment. 728 00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:46.840 You know our hate that having. But Anyway, I'm going to do 729 00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:50.760 the brave heart for you. Is that which want to do? Oh, 730 00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:54.840 I love it, I love this. Okay, good. Now I am 731 00:54:54.840 --> 00:55:04.119 saying that this, this hurts, this, this this meditation goes to so 732 00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:10.000 many people out there that that are, have, that have been in a 733 00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:17.239 brave heart or are in a brave heart right now, or they're going to 734 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:24.360 be future called on to be the brave heart, and no one's exempt. 735 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:31.920 No one's exempt. So I wanted to just take you know at that moment 736 00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:37.719 I was in the ten and the the ten and I'd added a couple other 737 00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:42.960 of twenty fives that are thirty five. Most of them were thive, thirty 738 00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:46.800 six, around Kelly's age, and they kept asking Kelly, hey, tell 739 00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:52.519 your mom. Put me in the text message. Mama Bear. So I 740 00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:54.679 was like, so I got up to like twenty five kids. They were 741 00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:59.840 all you're the kids, and they were just all these what I always see 742 00:55:59.920 --> 00:56:05.239 is kids that were wandering around going just say anything to me, that I 743 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:12.880 just don't really that I don't get totally like discouraged with life, you know. 744 00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.719 So, anyway, this is my brave heart. I have a category 745 00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:22.199 in my head for opposites, upside down meanings, for things that should be 746 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:28.800 but they aren't. Brave is in that category. You hear the words strong 747 00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:34.760 and brave as if they were performing on stage the opening act. Strong stirs 748 00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:37.159 the crowd and get them pumped up. For brave just to come out and 749 00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:40.920 give them what they came for, a team effort. But you know who 750 00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:47.239 they remember? It's the brave. Anyone can train themselves to be strong. 751 00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:52.400 Read the books, do your homework, exercise your minded body so it responds 752 00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:54.239 to your little engine whispering you can do it, you can do it, 753 00:56:54.280 --> 00:57:00.199 you can. I got the strong, the brave, brave is that word. 754 00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:06.400 You don't want to hear that call, you don't want to answer that 755 00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:10.840 road that you never want to travel. Ask Me to be brave and immediately, 756 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:15.679 without thinking, the wall goes up. I'm in self protect mode and 757 00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:22.559 every everyone around me needs to get out. I pause to put my walls 758 00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:29.960 down. As strong as attached to the physical brave is attached to the heart, 759 00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:34.440 and the heart. Well, is heart, the place that pumps out 760 00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:38.440 love, hope and courage. The heart stuff is the hard stuff, because 761 00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:45.320 you fear there won't be enough and it's going to hurt. Not True and 762 00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:50.000 true. Brave hearts have more love, hope and courage than you can ever 763 00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:53.800 imagine. The hurt part is the process of its circulating through your veins and 764 00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:58.000 back into your heart, so there's more and more to be poured out in 765 00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:01.559 the moment. Brave hearts are a phenomenon. They walk through fire in there 766 00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:06.000 never and never burn. They pass the rivers and are never swept away. 767 00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:12.880 Their steady beat carries on and on and on. It's crazy amazing. Whether 768 00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:16.760 your brave heart is past, present or future, let it be the biggest 769 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:22.559 part of your story. It is mine, and that is like that that 770 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:30.440 I say. Um, it's probably the truest, I guess, feeling I've 771 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:36.239 ever had is that. You know, I'm a mother of three and I 772 00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:42.679 think I have lived most of my life in fear of being brave, a 773 00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:45.599 fear that I was going to have to be brave. You know, I 774 00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:50.480 was going to have to be brave either. You know, you always think 775 00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:55.719 of you. My Kelly was diagnosed when she was nine with diabetes and and 776 00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:00.039 I remember that, you know, tom was just like, okay, let's 777 00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:02.480 you know, let's let's just get to the hospital this, you know, 778 00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:05.800 we'll get to a pomp, let's just move on with life. And we 779 00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:09.159 kept moving and that it was just all this, these things that I had 780 00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:14.559 to watch with her. And then Andy was diagnosed with type one and then 781 00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:19.599 we went through several really deep, dark, depressing years, depressing years and 782 00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:25.519 my life personally, in our marriage, and and brave was not something I 783 00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:30.400 wanted, like I owe. In fact, every time in my prayer life, 784 00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:34.440 you always pray for the good stuff so that you don't have to be 785 00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:38.239 brave. You know, like this, it's strong as fine, that brave, 786 00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:43.400 no brave, because I just don't want that anyway. There are so 787 00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:46.320 many brave hearts out there and I when I say that you're in the brave 788 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:52.000 right now, I have a friend that is battling cancer right now, just 789 00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:57.000 Kyi every Monday, you know, she's doing chemo and hair falling out and 790 00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:00.519 everything, and she stands there and that facebook with just these number four, 791 01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:04.920 I'm on for number four chemo treatment. I'm on number five, which is 792 01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:07.599 this. You know, I can do it. And and what she's doing 793 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:15.320 is she's she is living out her brave heart and I am more, is 794 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:19.599 pumping into that heart and pouring out to other people and people like me are 795 01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:28.559 just being overwhelmedly lifted up by her brave so it's the brave hearts of the 796 01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:35.000 world that totally changed our lives, and yet we fear to be one. 797 01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:40.119 And so it's, it's it's you know, when I when I think about 798 01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:45.719 brave, I still so, just as long as you know, I still 799 01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:51.360 don't want to be I don't know if that's my humans. I don't want 800 01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:55.760 to be brave. I definitely I know I can be strong and I will 801 01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:02.320 be brave, but do I want to know? And every brave heart, 802 01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:07.880 every brave heart, will say the saying they know what it costs and it 803 01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:12.480 caused them a lot and and that's that's the kind of meditate like. In 804 01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:16.320 other words, one person on the tax message, her mother was dying. 805 01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:21.000 Oh God, killed me because Kelly kept saying is her, can you just 806 01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:24.559 write something for her, you know, can you write? And the same 807 01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:28.480 thing, as you know, ben would say, Hey, can you just, 808 01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:32.000 can you write something thing, just on on an integrity. What does 809 01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:37.400 that mean? Words that that thirty five or thirty two, three to forty 810 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:43.039 are really trying to dig up. And and they want to be that. 811 01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:46.119 They want to be a man of integrity. They want to be they want 812 01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:51.679 to be a person who doesn't want to be called needy. You know, 813 01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:55.719 and I wrote a meditation on needy and and that, because that were really 814 01:01:55.760 --> 01:02:00.480 like when that came up, is, Oh, you're just being needy, 815 01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:05.679 and I just want to go hell, I'm not being needy, I just 816 01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.320 need some man, I need it now. That ain't being needy. That's 817 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:13.679 why. And so I thought to myself when I got to my bench, 818 01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:19.199 is like, Oh man, I I lost it, you know, am 819 01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:22.639 I needy? And and, yeah, and you know, and that's like 820 01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:29.079 getting with the Lord and it's sitting down with Jesus saying, okay, what 821 01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:32.639 is needy? What does that mean? You know, I know, I 822 01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:37.360 know what the world has said needy is. And they put labeled on people 823 01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:44.800 and that the my favorite meditation. The whole thing is dance is. I 824 01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:47.840 don't care what your dance floor is, just as long as you know you've 825 01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:52.079 got one. You know, like people that told, in fact, that's 826 01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:57.000 for all the creators of the world. Is Dance is. I don't know 827 01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:00.280 what. I don't know what triggered me on that day for dance, but 828 01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:07.639 ever since then I've wanted to send out dance to every person who felt like 829 01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:12.840 they could not do something, that they didn't have the floor to that they 830 01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:15.880 didn't have the floor to do that on. And I'm like, well, 831 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:19.480 who told you didn't have that floor? Who told you that you didn't have 832 01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:22.440 that you didn't that it didn't matter what your dance looks like. You you 833 01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:25.639 can do you can dance. I don't care what it looks like. and 834 01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:31.960 honestly, and that's that's the kind of thing that that was my mama bear. 835 01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:37.280 I know people can't see that for sure. Pages that on, that's 836 01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:42.320 on forty five, forty five, but and I will say to the people, 837 01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:45.760 to the people out there, is my niece was one of my text 838 01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:50.519 yeah, yeah, there's my baby, my niece. My niece is the 839 01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:54.519 one who drew all the she's twenty seven now, Dolly, and she was 840 01:03:54.559 --> 01:04:00.440 in my text messages and by time I was text messaging and I just I 841 01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:03.199 didn't. I numbered them just so that they could see what number they were 842 01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:08.800 on. And Wow, and then she said can I just cannot. She's 843 01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:13.480 a graphic designer out in Austin and she has can I just draw some stuff 844 01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:16.320 and for your meditations, like, I'll just draw what I think. And 845 01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:18.639 I'm like, I don't care what, I don't care what you draw. 846 01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:24.679 Whatever you draw is whatever you draw is what. That is what you took 847 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:29.159 from that meditation. But Um, wow. But I like this because it 848 01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:31.239 like after it says, you know, the mental fill in the blank. 849 01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:34.039 Who's got it, who needs serious help? WHOP for good? How? 850 01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:38.079 WHO's too much, who's too little, who's not enough? Out There's the 851 01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:42.840 judgments on how people dance. And and then how right. There's a lot 852 01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:46.000 of truth exposed when asked to dance, and I'm sure if asked, each 853 01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:49.199 fill in the blank would have a story. The truth is, our dance 854 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:55.280 floors are all different and some have always been open, unconditional tribe whatever. 855 01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:59.480 That's mine. You know, I that's my dance floor. Others have been 856 01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:03.599 almost nonexistent. So you never really knew where you where to stand or what 857 01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:06.760 it felt like to move. Nobody taught you to dance, you know. 858 01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:11.159 Nobody even taught you how. What creativity is, you know. And there 859 01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:15.000 are there are kids out there who who grew up in a home and which 860 01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:20.960 which no one actually said there was a Florida dance on and and then I 861 01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:27.440 said, but the end between are the forgotten floors. That means they had 862 01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:31.239 a dance floor and then it was shut down because, and you, I 863 01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:34.360 just drew a blank, because you name it. You know that were shut 864 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:38.800 down. And it says I don't care if you dance or don't dance, 865 01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:44.039 but I do care that you know, the floors always open underneath your own 866 01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:47.440 two feet and that space is for whatever crazy move you want to make, 867 01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:53.159 you want to throw down at any given time, and there's no permission necessary. 868 01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:58.239 The dance is yours, the floor is yours, the invitation is yours, 869 01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:00.599 and that's from the Lord of the dance and I just want to know 870 01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:06.360 that God called you to dance. He called you, he gave you the 871 01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:12.000 dance floor, called this entire world, you know. I mean that's just 872 01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:15.280 crazy. Good. The entire world is your dance floor. Yeah, and 873 01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:20.000 and if it got shut down because someone said you look stupid on the dance 874 01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:25.320 floor now, then, and then all of a sudden you're shut down and 875 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:29.119 you don't want to even get out on it anymore, then that's that's a 876 01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:33.880 lie. That's a lie because because they don't own your dance. The Lord 877 01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:39.000 has said, the Lord gave you the dance. No, nobody can take 878 01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:44.800 it from you, and I don't. I feel like every person has a 879 01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:48.800 different dance and and we that. You know, and this is what the 880 01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:54.360 undoing is is I'm doing what the world is. It's undering what the world 881 01:06:54.360 --> 01:07:00.079 has made us think. Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent. So we 882 01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:02.719 have to we have to kind of relearn it. We have to we have 883 01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:06.920 to we have to stop, we have to meditate, we have to be 884 01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:13.840 quiet and still, no matter how hard it is. Add whatever you know, 885 01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:20.679 take it to your place, run eight miles before you sit down and 886 01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:28.119 be still and undo some stuff. I love this book because this book is 887 01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:32.519 going to do for a lot of people what that that year or four months 888 01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:38.199 that you did in my life, and that was you gave me permission to 889 01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:42.880 create. Absolutely he gave men amen to dance, and I think so many 890 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.960 people don't have that. And so that's what I read when I read this 891 01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:48.599 book, and once again I judged a book by its cover and was like 892 01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:53.119 this is for women, like this isn't for me, but I encourage you, 893 01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:55.360 if you're a guy out there, get this thing, because it's going 894 01:07:55.400 --> 01:08:00.000 to it's going to wreck your world. And so go to Mama Bear Meditationscom 895 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.159 in order one and order one for a friend of yours as well. Sorry, 896 01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:06.719 what's the wrong camera there? But this is amazing, Jenny, I 897 01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:11.039 love that. When I love that, this was like a text message of 898 01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:15.079 you to save people. Yeah, that is it. least know that part 899 01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:16.880 that blew my mind when you're like I was texting these girls and I turned 900 01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:20.119 into a but I'm like, wait, what happened? Well, crazy, 901 01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:25.239 when I was texting them at the you know, I didn't know when to 902 01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:28.840 stop because I thought, well, they're probably tired of this. And then 903 01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:33.760 then what? When Caroline, when my niece was, had all these these 904 01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:40.079 these I don't know her, her, her, her sketches of what that 905 01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:44.760 meditation brought out in her, especially when I wrote one on the mirror. 906 01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:48.039 You know, of what you see and that mirror I'm going to I know 907 01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:51.600 that. I know I'm talking all this. Why I love I love these 908 01:08:51.640 --> 01:09:00.880 meditations. But the the mirror one, yeah, was was inspired because I 909 01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:04.640 was doing a video and my son. It was a video of my son 910 01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:09.680 and my daughter and they were at performance madicine. They were doing on esthetics 911 01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:13.439 and Andy said, this is my youngest son. He said, Hey, 912 01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:16.880 mom, can you, can you get my right side, because my nose 913 01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:19.560 looks bigger if I turn this side. So I want the rise side. 914 01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:24.880 And then Kelly says, this is my middle daughter. She Says No, 915 01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:30.279 Andy, I need that side of the camera because because I have this place 916 01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:33.520 on my face that I don't that looks horrible if I'm on that side. 917 01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:38.560 And you know, one was with a part and literally they fought for like 918 01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:44.960 twenty minutes on the view of my camera and I thought to myself, okay, 919 01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:47.960 so that's what you see when you look in the mirror. You see 920 01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:51.159 the big nose, man. Oh, when you look in the mirror, 921 01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:56.560 you see that eyebrow, this kind of raise and you see the wrinkles. 922 01:09:56.600 --> 01:10:00.720 Are you see? You don't say, and that's why I say the danger, 923 01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:04.800 the danger of the mirror. You know, it's like, you know, 924 01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:10.159 when we were talking about what shuts down or what inspires you to create, 925 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:15.439 and I always I can't say it enough, it's a window. Is 926 01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:19.359 Look at. Look out. Do not look in the mirror, because you'll 927 01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:25.640 see that crooked nose. You're going to see a person who can't speak clearly. 928 01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:30.479 You're going to see a person I just can't stand myself for the mirror 929 01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:35.920 and I honestly can't stand it, and so it stops me from everything that 930 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:39.920 I want to do in my life when I look in a mirror. But 931 01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:43.640 when I look out that window, I want to run. I want to 932 01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:47.279 run this race so fast and I never want to stop. It would be 933 01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:55.520 like forest gump and I want, you know, run first run. I 934 01:10:55.600 --> 01:11:01.119 do. I I think it's I think that's the most fascinating thing, is 935 01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:08.039 the change of perspective from the Mirror to the window. Wow, man, 936 01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:11.319 wow, this has been incredible. I just been a student this whole entire 937 01:11:11.399 --> 01:11:14.159 hour. I'm just been like and I knew, I knew. I was 938 01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:15.720 like, I just want to carve out all the fluff of the show and 939 01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:20.039 just come on and chat and talk and I knew you were going to bring 940 01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:24.960 so much value and I want to have you on again because I think this 941 01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:28.279 is just the tip of the iceberg of some of the stuff. And then 942 01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:30.600 I also want to connect to you. And if there's anybody listening to this, 943 01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:33.600 it's a podcaster in you know, reach out and I can get you 944 01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:36.359 guys can act out. It would love too, free to go on other 945 01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:40.600 people show to promote your book, but really just do what you've done for 946 01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:44.279 my audience and myself, which is inspire me to keep hitting her cord, 947 01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:46.800 keep hitting go alive, keep, you know, putting groups of people together 948 01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:49.199 and teaching them how to do stuff to get their message out, and I 949 01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:55.359 think it's huge. What you've done in the last fifty nine years of being 950 01:11:55.399 --> 01:11:59.439 a creator like that is just amazing. And once again I've just been a 951 01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:03.439 little back on the radar, but you've literally changed my whole life and people's 952 01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:06.720 lives. I'm sure that I you know, been exposed to me and the 953 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:12.239 things I've learned and it's just like this big snowball effect, and so I 954 01:12:12.279 --> 01:12:15.840 really appreciate you and you know I love you. So I love them to 955 01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:18.479 man. Now the whole Rodgers clan. So and I'm sure we're going to 956 01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:24.680 be talking about live streaming and nerdy editing, you know, and all the 957 01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:28.680 things that get it out. That's all creative stuff. That that that we 958 01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:32.000 need to share. That's that's called being a community, and I and being 959 01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:36.319 being in it. So I appreciate what you're doing for us a performance medicine 960 01:12:36.399 --> 01:12:42.359 and and definitely if I'd love to. Yeah, I'd love to be in 961 01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:46.520 everybody's woods, you know. So if there's a an opportunity where there's and 962 01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:54.359 again the the Mama thing. You know, I think when I say everybody 963 01:12:54.439 --> 01:13:00.640 needs a Mama and and I think that their view of Father God is also 964 01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:04.359 a mother God to you know, a nurture guide, nurtures and and loves 965 01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:09.840 us like a mother, and so that's the way I look at that. 966 01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:12.840 Anyway, thank you so much for having me. Love it. Thank you. 967 01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:15.560 Thank you so much for joining me. And Yeah, we'll definitely be 968 01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:19.479 connecting soon and hopefully I get you to connected to some my community and they 969 01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:23.399 can help you. You know, yes, a new your message, continue 970 01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:26.279 putting it out there. So I really appreciate you. Thank you so much. 971 01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:28.520 All right, love you man, all right, love you to we'll 972 01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:30.920 talk soon, okay, all right, and there you go, guys. 973 01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:35.000 That is my friend Jenny Rodgers. I mean, such an inspiration. Hopefully, 974 01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:38.560 if you didn't take anything away from that, well, if you didn't, 975 01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:41.840 you just weren't listening or watching properly and you should go back and watch 976 01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:45.880 it again. Super Amazing contect creator, been doing it for a really long 977 01:13:45.920 --> 01:13:47.960 time, pouring into a lot of lives. So really appreciate her and go 978 01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:53.319 check out her book, Mama Bear Meditations. Doesn't matter if you're don't. 979 01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:55.680 Don't just think, if you're dude, that you won't get anything out of 980 01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:58.800 it, because I thought that and I love this book. It's changing my 981 01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:01.960 world. So go to Mama Bear Meditationscom and check it out, get connected 982 01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:05.720 with Jenny Rodgers and then also join me tomorrow. I'm going to be back 983 01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:11.520 here to PM Eastern time with my friend Drew Milton to talk about how do 984 01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:15.319 you book guest on your show? How do you get those guests to come 985 01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:18.800 under your podcast? I'm booking guests most of the time for my show, 986 01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:21.560 so I'm really going to dig in and learn. So if you're a live 987 01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:26.399 streamer, a podcaster or you get some other thing where you're booking guest he's 988 01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:29.079 done a really good job at it. He's has some celebrity people on his 989 01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:30.840 show as well, which I'm going to dig into a little bit, which 990 01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:33.640 would be kind of fun. But Anyway, join me tomorrow to PM Eastern 991 01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:41.880 time and we'll talk to you then. See You