April 28, 2022

How To Manage a Daily Podcast

How To Manage a Daily Podcast

Is creating a daily podcast really as hard as everyone makes it sound? Girish Bali has been creating one for a while and is going to give us the inside scoop on what it takes to make it happen.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.320 And now here's something we hope you really like. You're listening to creating daily, 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:08.599 there's something wrong with you. You know that, because you and I 3 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:12.080 are like a mullets. It is the is the business. So he's the 4 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:15.199 front part of the haircut and then I'm the party in the back. I 5 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:18.760 think they're hilarious. Speaks to me. It's like he's saying what I'm thinking. 6 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:26.719 What is going on? Everyone? Welcome to another episode of creating daily. 7 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:29.839 I'm your host, Billy Thorpe. If you've been here before, then 8 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:32.520 welcome back. If we've never met, it's good to meet you. Say 9 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:35.880 Hello in the chat. Why don't you let me know where you're watching from, 10 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:40.320 and I got a great show lined up for you today. I'm joined 11 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:43.280 going to be joined here in a few minutes by my friend Gearish Bolli. 12 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:47.479 He is a wealth of knowledge. Been in the technology space for a really 13 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:53.280 long time. Photography, cinema photography, videography, all those Ography, all 14 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:56.520 the Griffis, or how you say it. So I'm super excited to bring 15 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:00.359 him on because he is a daily podcaster. That's right. So I have 16 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:03.960 found somebody else on the Internet who said, you know what I think it'd 17 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:07.959 be a good idea to work every day on a show. What takes some 18 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:11.000 people a week to produce. We're trying to produce one every single day. 19 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:15.400 So we're going to compare notes and see. You know what our workflows like 20 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:19.079 and you know why we do what we do and all those fun things, 21 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:22.439 and maybe it'll give you an idea if you want to take a swing at 22 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:25.599 it. Take a swing it doing a daily show. Or maybe you're like 23 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:29.079 that sounds crazy. You guys are idiots and I'm out of here. So 24 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:32.799 either way way, hopefully you're going to be entertained and learn a lot of 25 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:36.599 stuff. And on today's show I'm only going to do one segment before I 26 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:38.799 bring them on. Give us plenty of time. But before I do that, 27 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:44.239 I want to remind you to hit the subscribe button, wherever it's a 28 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:47.920 there you go, wherever that subscribe button, where that follow button is either 29 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:52.439 on Youtube, on bullhorn or on your favorite podcast player. Be Sure to 30 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:55.799 follow us. That is one way you can support the show. The other 31 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:59.480 way that you can support the show and make my wife happy is go to 32 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:02.920 buy me a coffeecom Billy Thorpe and buy me a cup of Joe if you 33 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:07.560 like the show. So yeah, go do those things. That's all the 34 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:09.120 call to acts and stuff I have in right now. I want to head 35 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:16.039 over to Creator highlights. No cooking necessary now, assembly required. 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It's a more of a youtube video series, so that 60 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:53.840 it sounded so old of me to say video series, but anyway, he's 61 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:58.719 a phenomenal youtuber knows a lot of stuff in that space. Podcast creator, 62 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:02.599 basically, if it has anything to do with video or audio, Rafael probably 63 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:05.400 does it. So go give him a follow over at the not your average 64 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:11.080 club trotter and learn about moving away from wherever you're out to a different country. 65 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:14.960 A lot of good insights over there. Who knows, maybe raffael will 66 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:16.680 do one about Puerto Rico and invite me on. Now. I'm going to 67 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:19.480 send the show to him so I get an invite to his show. All 68 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:25.319 right, so let's go ahead and jump back over and say hello to my 69 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:27.959 friend Garish. We had a couple little audio issues, but I think we 70 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.839 gotta figure it out. If not, just beer with us, but I'm 71 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:33.160 going to bring him on and let's get into talking about a daily show. 72 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:35.480 Well, I'm Garish, good to see you, man. Hold on once 73 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:39.720 again, I'm going to meet you. There we go. We get the 74 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:44.439 audio figured out and then I muted you. Sorry all are you? Thanks 75 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.639 for all calling me here and great to be on your show. It's fabulist 76 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:53.360 to do a daily show, isn't it? This it's crazy creating daily show 77 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:57.240 for a daily show. That's weird. But yeah, yeah, it's a 78 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:01.120 little bit Meta. I don't know if we are cool, if we're idiots 79 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:05.000 or we lost our mind, I don't know, but I'm excited to talk 80 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:11.480 to another daily Creator in pick your brain about workflow and all that kind of 81 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:15.079 stuff. So it's good to see you and you're the podcast host of back 82 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:18.560 to basics mode. So real quick, before we jump into how you build 83 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:21.439 that podcast, give us a few minutes of just like, what is it 84 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:26.240 about my you started it? Sure, sure, thank you, billy. 85 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:30.160 So my podcast name is back to basics mode. What I try to do 86 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.959 is I started this back in January, two thousand and twenty, two thousand 87 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:39.879 and twenty one, and it looks like I've been releasing every day and then 88 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:44.920 I realized that when I when I released every Friday, then I realized that 89 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.519 I think people are getting a little confused and what I said to myself is 90 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:53.639 let me divide my show into Tuesday through Friday and make it in every day 91 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:58.759 show instead of a Friday show, because my topics, what we're talking about, 92 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:02.959 is business, marketing, technology, motivational speakers, health and fitness and 93 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.480 nutrition, and then I got some few trending items like, you know, 94 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:12.199 Bitcoin, cryptocurrency, real estate, finance, whatever you can think of. 95 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:15.920 I have also singers on the show and there will be some lives happening. 96 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:18.639 That's another one on me nineteen, if I'm not mistaken, you know. 97 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:24.120 So the concept of this whole podcast that I have is that I try to 98 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:27.839 make it simple and basic, and that's what it is all about, because 99 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:31.680 we have tendency to complicate things and how to make it simple and basic and 100 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:35.560 fun all at the same time. That's what this show is all about. 101 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:40.839 Billy man, that's awesome. I love simplicity. I mean you probably notice 102 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:44.680 from even my live stream set up. I mean to some people it's probably 103 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:46.720 like, Oh wow, this is like really elaborate, but to the live 104 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:51.319 streaming community, like this is the most basic it can get. But it 105 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:56.040 allows me to operate kind of like lean in me, if you will. 106 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:59.399 So so I'm not thinking about all this text stuff. And you know, 107 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:01.839 eight different I know, I know a guy has eight cameras for his live 108 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:06.600 show. I'm like, I would just spend probably half that time figuring out 109 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:11.360 why one camera didn't work and so distracted by it. So so love the 110 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.639 concept, man. That's a great concept. I do have two cameras and 111 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:17.319 three monitors. So I don't know if that's basic or that's complicated, but 112 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:21.680 that's what comes to mind. I guess you'll have to change the name of 113 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:28.639 your podcast to really complicated podcast. Now just messing so you decide to go 114 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:31.079 I love that you decide to go, you know, more of a daily 115 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:34.959 routine. I like that. So, man, walk me through. What 116 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:41.240 are you prerecording and dropping those episodes, or you recording like today, for 117 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.839 tomorrow, or you waking up tomorrow and recording? What does that workflow look 118 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:47.639 like? Three pre recordings, for sure. So let's say if you came 119 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:51.959 on the show and we did a prerecording, hypothetically, I'm just guessing you'll 120 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:56.639 be released in July and August, right, because that's just how far I'm 121 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:01.680 working on that part. But there are are some few live interviews that I 122 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.600 do, you know, and all my platforms, and I just added twitch 123 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:11.800 to my platform as my channel. So it's very exciting and learning from different, 124 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:16.480 different people, including yourself, billy. You know, as a brand 125 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:22.439 podcaster, I've learned so much, and someone told me on one of the 126 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.319 you know, the clubhouse APPs. They said you're not new anymore, you're 127 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:31.000 pretty old now. So I think that makes me feel that I'm already here, 128 00:08:31.159 --> 00:08:35.240 but I still feel that I have a long way to go, billy. 129 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:41.200 But yeah, I mean I treat my podcast as a for podcast instead 130 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:45.840 of just one, because if I release it every day, Tuesday, Wednesday, 131 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:50.320 Thursday, Friday. There for different podcasts and four different flavors, but 132 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:54.879 I feel that's a lot of work as to just one podcast and release every 133 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:58.639 day. Maybe that's just my thought process. Yeah. So, so I'm 134 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.279 kind and curious about this because I did see on your website you have like 135 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:05.759 Tuesday, which, if this is still accurate, is business marketing technology. 136 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:11.960 Wednesday is more motivational. Speakers come on Thursdays like what's trending, topics, 137 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:13.840 miscellaneous, you know, topics, that kind of thing, and it looks 138 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:18.080 like Fridays like hell, fitness, nutrition and mindfulness. Is that kind of 139 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.919 the rhythm that you stay in? For the most part? That is a 140 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:24.440 rhythm that I stay with and it's been quite successful for myself, you know, 141 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:28.639 getting great reviews and great feedback from a lot of different people. Just 142 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:35.000 recently I just got ranked, you know, a hundred and four in Britain, 143 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:39.320 you know, and sweeten also, and Japan, also, in Taiwan 144 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:43.720 also, and I'm pretty sure the other podcasters out there got their ranks and 145 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:46.879 up there. But the thing is, as a brand podcaster, I'm me 146 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:54.679 being only eight to nineteen months old and still almost two hundred episodes old plus 147 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.519 I think I think you're okay from that part. Yeah, man, that's 148 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.679 awesome. We'll congratulations on your success. And you know, I don't know 149 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.159 that I have it spelled out like you do for my daily show, like 150 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:09.440 I do have a couple of days that are pretty set. Like Tuesday is 151 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:13.080 more about social media. I got, I get a cohost on there. 152 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.879 So I brought into cohost Katie Brinkley for Tuesdays and we're really kind of focusing 153 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:22.799 more on social media, social audio. And then on Friday I have business 154 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:26.159 talk, which is a segment or yes, segment or show I do is 155 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:31.679 Sid Meadows, which is also like a cohosted show in then somewhat on Mondays 156 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:37.519 I'll do like I try to lean more toward monetizations, like money, Monday's, 157 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:41.399 you know, like how do you monetize this creator that type of thing, 158 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:45.799 and then somewhere sprinkled in is a couple of guests throughout the week that 159 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:48.559 we can kind of talk about anything. So I'll leave it open ended. 160 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:54.279 So so how do you feel like that this structure of having this is like 161 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:58.919 been a bit has it? It's probably been beneficial in my observation of your 162 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:01.759 show. Do you feel like, from the Creator side of it, that 163 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:05.279 it just keeps you way more organized by having these days and you kind of 164 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:07.919 know what to expect? Yeah, so we really came from your organized and 165 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:11.639 in the beginning, I would say maybe five months ago, four months ago, 166 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:16.519 I actually had a Monday show also, which is my solo show, 167 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.679 and it was just so much to work because I I was maybe running out 168 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.639 of ideas and plus I was doing clubhouse also. So then I said to 169 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:28.919 myself that why don't I cancel my solo shows, because that is my show 170 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:33.240 regardless. Right. So how about one do I come up with different, 171 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:37.600 different topics arm clubhouse and use that product, or I should say that recording, 172 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:43.120 and then make it as a Monday bonus shows? So I've had a 173 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:48.440 lot of podcast shows on their about monetization, about different, different topics that 174 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:50.960 you can think of. Even health and fitness is one of them, from 175 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:56.240 a different perspective, from a viewers perspective, and that's where that bonus, 176 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:00.720 you know, episode came on. I mean there was a episode that I 177 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:03.919 created for a Monday show called are you a goat or are you a goat 178 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:09.840 with a Gat? So people who think we have to think out of the 179 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:15.039 box when it comes to topics, right, so that create a mood can 180 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:20.399 through the clubhouse and even wisdom APP. I'm also on the wisdom map and 181 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:24.279 I've been doing a lot of monologs over there and people are listening to me 182 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:28.000 and then I'm getting more views on my show. So I think it's more 183 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.879 of learning as we go and when it comes to these things. Okay, 184 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:35.799 yeah, I love that you're talking about cross you know, kind of cross 185 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.120 promoting, cross pollinating, if you will, with all these different audio apps 186 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:43.320 because you know, I don't know about you, but for me I own 187 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:48.120 a business way before podcasting, way before I turned podcasting into a career, 188 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:52.240 and then in the pandemic I was kind of forced out of that and then 189 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:54.840 I was like man, I guess I'm going to try to people were asking 190 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:56.879 me about audio just could ask me how to monetize, how to do stuff. 191 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:00.360 So I'm like, all right, well, it seems like a business 192 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.080 and then when I kind of got into it, I was like I don't 193 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:07.000 know how to promote or market or anything, but man, those social audio 194 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:13.200 apps they really boosted my you know, voice literally into the Community of podcasters 195 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.679 and live streamers and that's how we met. I mean, you're on here 196 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:20.360 because of clubhouse and that was, you know, our connection point. So 197 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.240 I really appreciate you bringing that up and I love that you are you took 198 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:28.399 because I have a solo show as well and I've been brainstorming this. You 199 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.279 know, I'm a month then, so I'm still I still got the new 200 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:35.120 car smell around here. I haven't thrown French fries in the floorboard yet, 201 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:39.200 and so I'm really enjoying it. But there is that aspect of social audio 202 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:43.480 that I'm not doing because I am doing this every day, and so I 203 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:48.240 may consider, do you know, follow your lead and say, let me, 204 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.480 do you know a creator's round table, because I've been brainstorming to do 205 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:58.200 that and then bring that episode into maybe even do it as a live show 206 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:01.720 on guild or somewhere else, and then do do that as well. So 207 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:05.399 thanks for that. You're already inspiring me, you know. Just so keeps 208 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:09.559 this mind, billy, that whoever wants to do a daily show, make 209 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:15.519 sure that you don't get burnt out. You can get burnt out really easily. 210 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:20.720 Now you know, it's no secret. Everyone knows I don't do any 211 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:24.720 recordings or any lives on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday. That is many 212 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:28.159 times as my family time. That's just the other stuff that I do. 213 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:33.360 And I do have my studio, you know, and I go to different 214 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:37.559 events and weddings. Those are my days, those are not anyone's days. 215 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:41.399 So the days that I record is money through Thursday and and I blasted out 216 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:46.600 like throughout the day. So I have maybe seven age recordings maybe per week 217 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:50.840 and I'm from that itself. I get burnt out. So I think I 218 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.639 need my me time. Yeah, well, and I think that's the interesting 219 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:58.279 part about doing, you know, the prerecorded versus live, like I'm going 220 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:01.679 live every day. But I do have a plan, I do have a 221 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:05.440 structure, I do have a system. I mean it took me a minute 222 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:09.159 to figure that out, but I also came from the background of TV, 223 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:11.080 so I understood what a run sheet was, I understood, you know, 224 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.120 what segments were and on a plan a show. So I had a little 225 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:18.279 bit of that experience under my bell and I think that's kind of helped me, 226 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.720 you know, stay on track. So I'm probably spending and I'm curious 227 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.919 as to what you're you know before you know, preshow, pre interview, 228 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:30.279 what kind of amount of time you're spending putting the show together, because I've 229 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:35.360 gotten mine down to about, roughly about an I'm going to say an hour 230 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:39.320 before pret you know, before the show starts, that I can really you 231 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:43.639 know, figure out all my stuff and put my course. It's simple. 232 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:48.399 I'm I don't do fifteen segments. I do like for so it's really an 233 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:50.960 easier show. But I've got it down to about an hour. So what 234 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:56.320 do you think you're spending curating the you know, before, like research and 235 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:00.480 all that stuff on your guests before they're coming on the show? Yeah, 236 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:03.799 so you got thirty minutes for precral and then you have maybe fifteen to twenty 237 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:07.919 thirty minutes for, you know, researching the whole damn thing. That what 238 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.080 you want to talk about, right? And and then you got just thirty 239 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:18.080 minutes being on the on the prerecorded show. I've learned over the time. 240 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.440 I used to tell you know, people used to ask me that how long 241 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:25.919 is the show for and I said, well, I think I'm averaging thirty, 242 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:29.840 thirty, seven, forty minutes, and then I said to myself, 243 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:33.240 I it seems like that's too long, even though that it doesn't go far, 244 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:37.080 but me saying what it seems like too far. So now what I've 245 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:41.279 done is I've come to a science that I know how to design my show, 246 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:45.279 I know how to direct my show and at within thirty minutes I am 247 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:48.480 done with that show. I'm pretty sure I can say a lot of things 248 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:53.639 within those thirty minutes. Yeah, and sometimes there are times on the seventeen 249 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:59.960 minute mark I realize I think I've we've covered a lot. So what else 250 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.160 do we do? So I try to do a little buffering more for that 251 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:07.920 thirty minute mark and I think I've been successful that way. Yeah, man, 252 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:11.119 I you know, I always go by the rule of like how long 253 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:14.319 does it take the information to get out there, like the information that I 254 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:17.920 want, my guests wants, and we've all listened to those podcasts and watch 255 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:22.079 those TV interviews where it's just like this is over five minutes ago, like 256 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:26.400 why are we still? We just hitting, trying to hit the timeline. 257 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.000 So I think that's that's good to give people permission to like, Hey, 258 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.279 just record what you know, whatever comes out of it. I mean, 259 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:34.960 unless you're doing repurpose for radio and all that, then I guess you got, 260 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:37.640 you know, a little bit of pain. Sorry, and draw up 261 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:41.720 on there was an episode which I talked about Bitcoin and and I need to 262 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:47.440 learn about bitcoin. The what the Hell is bitcoin? Right? So I 263 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:52.319 took a fifty seven minute recording from that guest and what I did is I 264 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:56.000 divided by two and made a part one in part two for week Tuesday and 265 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:00.799 next week Tuesday, and so far has been quite successful with my thought process 266 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:07.319 instead of just releasing the whole fifty two minutes. Yeah, that's a great 267 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:08.839 idea, man. I love that, because you said you're sitting down one 268 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.880 time and you're getting two shows out of it, and these are all things 269 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.519 to think about, especially when you're putting out a high volume of content. 270 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:19.200 It's like, how do I make this content work for me long term, 271 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:25.160 not just for that for that show or for that episode? And and I 272 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:27.079 think that is the beauty too, and I love your thoughts on this, 273 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:32.599 is I'm creating content every single day. Man. I got thirty, yeah, 274 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:36.920 thirty episodes in a month that are now just for ready to be picked 275 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:38.960 apart and put in different places. And you know, now I get to 276 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:41.759 figure out that process. I got to figure out the post show problect pre 277 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:47.119 show, got it, show got it, post show marketing, all that 278 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:48.880 stuff. I get a lot of work to do to figure that out. 279 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:53.880 So what are you doing with this content after you've recorded it? Well, 280 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:56.880 I mean I have my own production company, by the way, so I'm 281 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:00.680 juggling with other clients to at the same time and taking care of their heading 282 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:06.880 for you is very simple. I try to make sure there's no errors at 283 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:11.160 all in my show. So it's too easy, easiest editing that you can 284 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:15.119 ever think of. Right. So for me it's a case close and you 285 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:18.400 can't go wrong. You put the music in the beginning, music at the 286 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:22.279 end, get your synopsis towards the end, because I I do have a 287 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:26.079 quote of the day from back to basics every day. So I try to 288 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:30.519 design the show planet out. That's just how I do it. I so 289 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:34.839 I think. I think the question you're saying is how do you plan it 290 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:38.240 out? Honestly, I don't really have a plan. I do have a 291 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:41.759 plan for calendar, you know, planet out. Let's say, if I 292 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:47.559 recorded you and I'm saying you will be released in July, I plan it 293 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:52.880 out. So I think it no hassle there ahead. Good. Oh No, 294 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:55.160 no. So what do you do after the show, though? So 295 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:59.400 you've set it up, you've got your guests on, you've recorded it, 296 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.440 you've probably maybe e've edited it. Now you're publishing it. Are you just 297 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:08.160 publishing it on your on your video and audio sources, or are you chopping 298 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.440 that up into pieces and put it on social like, what is that? 299 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:15.920 You know, post show promotion look like? Yeah, so I do too 300 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:19.799 much of this work. So for me is just publishing and that's it, 301 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:25.519 right and and the way I look at it is there are few things that 302 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:29.920 I take out. For example, what is back to basic mean to you? 303 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:33.920 And that is a question I asked every of my guest, every guest. 304 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:36.920 So that is a segment that I have on my playlist when you go 305 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.519 to my youtube channel. So those are the things that I do and I 306 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:45.640 think that's all I can handle, because that's all I can handle, because 307 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:48.680 if they want to listen to it, they're listen to it. Like, 308 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:52.160 for example, I have a mother's Day special coming up for Mother's Day episode 309 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:59.000 for May Eight and I'll be released on Sunday with four amazing ladies from season 310 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:03.799 one. I how do I take bits out of that to make an episode. 311 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:07.599 Well, I guess you will have to wait and see, but so 312 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:11.799 far up and wanting to wild bonus is here and there. I do, 313 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:14.359 but when it comes to every day I don't think I can do this every 314 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:17.680 day billy. Yeah, that's a lot of work, man. It's a 315 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:19.319 lot of work and that's kind of what you know. It's kind of my 316 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:22.319 approach to it as well. Right now. I'm I'm putting out when I 317 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.680 can. I might grab a screen share of something that was said in the 318 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:30.480 interview that day and shared on my social media, on on instagram and facebook, 319 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:33.279 just in stories. But it's pretty you know, and I think that's 320 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:38.000 the beauty about a daily show as well. And maybe you maybe you said 321 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:41.079 this in a clubhouse room. I can't remember who said it, but it 322 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:44.920 was like, I don't have to do as much promotion because people know I'm 323 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:48.640 coming back the next day, they know they can rely on that episode, 324 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:52.480 and so every day's episode kind of promotes itself. Have you seen that? 325 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.160 That's pretty true for your show as well, that people are yeah, it's 326 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.440 that every day. Yeah, so the name of the game for everyone is 327 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:04.400 they you know, brand new podcasters and they come to me for help if 328 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:07.240 they want, because I do consulting too for these guys, right, and 329 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:12.279 the advice that I can really give them, as there's no great signs to 330 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:17.599 it. You just have to be consistent. If it's every Monday, every 331 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:21.000 Tuesday, every Friday, whatever it is, just be consistent to it. 332 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:25.599 It doesn't matter if it's thirty minutes or fifteen or forty five, right. 333 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:29.559 So, okay, in your case, if you do it money to Friday 334 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:33.400 on my do do Sunday, whatever your show is all about. Just stick 335 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:36.720 with that. And if it is five minutes every day, five minutes. 336 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:41.599 It is right. So I think the sign says to stick with your schedule 337 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:44.839 and that's it, and then people will start coming to you no matter what. 338 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:47.720 You know, I walk down the street and we're like, WHOA, 339 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:49.720 you're a podcaster. I'm like, okay, where did you find me? 340 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:55.319 And they said act and I'm like okay, so, which means that my 341 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:57.680 voice is getting hurt in different, different places whenever I walk down the street. 342 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:02.279 So yeah, it's to be noticed and great, you know my voice 343 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:06.119 is getting hurt. So I think that's my big accomplishment, you know, 344 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:10.440 like one or two people here and there tell me that I've done well. 345 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:15.200 So that's that's my if you if I get recognized on the Internet, I'm 346 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:18.640 like, Oh, this is awesome. If I get reorganized in person, 347 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:22.119 like dude, that is I'm famous, like here, you on my autograph 348 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:26.400 now or later. You know, it is pretty fun. So let's jump 349 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:30.720 back a little bit too, to production stuff. Like I know your batch 350 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:36.519 recording. So your batch recording six to eight shows a week. Are you 351 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:41.720 batch editing those the same week or you have somebody helping you with that or 352 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:45.039 what does that look like as far as editing goes? No, I do 353 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:48.079 everything. That's that's the thing. So so let's say for the month of 354 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:52.119 April, I take care of all the batches for the month of April, 355 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:57.559 for let's say Tuesdays tomorrow, I'll deal with Wednesdays and Thursdays and Fridays the 356 00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:02.279 next day, and I just covered to hold that month like that and run 357 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:04.720 about the mid of the month. That I just do the next month after 358 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:11.519 that and and plus I also schedule all the marketings to so I think marketings 359 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:15.720 also another thing that we need to do. If you go to my instagram, 360 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.839 the the handlings that I have and the Linkedin to by the way, 361 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:25.400 I I schedule all my all my marketing out for at least three weeks out, 362 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:29.319 you know, because every the reason why might I do every three weeks 363 00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:33.759 instead of a month is because maybe there are a few things that I've learned 364 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:37.319 along the way when it comes to marketing, so it doesn't get old. 365 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:41.799 Right, maybe the flavors a little different, but it might be the same 366 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:45.920 concept. But you know, that's how I change and that's how I learned, 367 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:49.720 because it seems like I've learned a lot over the years and it's easier 368 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:55.160 to get it done slowly. And we're just talking about the editing and the 369 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:59.720 marketing. I've not even talked about what I do for newsletters yet. Yeah, 370 00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:03.039 okay, so when you so I get a question about your marketing strategy. 371 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:08.160 When you're marketing, are you just marketing the podcast it's out that week, 372 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:15.240 or are you marketing like older podcast as well, because I feel like 373 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.160 a lot of podcasters, like we're just so focused on this episode, getting 374 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:21.799 it out there, get you know whatever, but we're not really going on 375 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:23.680 in our back catalog which are still a ton of value, and say hey, 376 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:29.000 check out this good episode twenty five and you know, listen to whatever. 377 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:30.799 So what does that look like for you? I do it all the 378 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:33.720 time, like, for example, of a few days ago today, is 379 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:38.640 what April twenty seven. So April twenty we celebrated, you know, the 380 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:42.079 cannabis and the weed, right, and I had a guest on my show. 381 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:47.720 We talked about cannabis. So I I repurposed and I said, listen 382 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:52.039 to this guy from season one, you know, the mother's very special. 383 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:56.400 I actually posted all the episodes from those ladies and I said here the you 384 00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:00.559 know, here's the episode from these ladies and there on my show from mother's 385 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:04.119 a special. So I that's just an example. There's so many out there. 386 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:10.640 Like, for example, June first is a LGGPQ month and there is 387 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:15.039 a person that I interviewed and we talked about LGBQ's on the colors. Her 388 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:18.799 repurposing episode will be released on June first. You know, even though, 389 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.960 that I did it last year. So that's just planning, nothing else. 390 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:29.839 That's a good strategy. So I usually plan where I had, you know, 391 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:33.559 like, for example, you got nurse month and you got doctors month 392 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.440 and you got every and you got beverage day, which is liquor. I 393 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.720 have four episodes about liquor. I have five episodes about nursing and healthcare. 394 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:48.400 So I've repurposed that all the time. It's it's more planning than nothing else. 395 00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:52.319 Where do I get the time? I really don't know, billy, 396 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:56.240 but whenever I do, that's what I do. And and people they like 397 00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:02.160 that process. Like, for example, I posted a episode about season one 398 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:06.160 and she's a fashion designer and she's one of the mother's from Mother's Day. 399 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:11.839 I got twenty seven views on that, on that post itself, so it 400 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:17.440 seems like people they wanted to keep on learning and viewing. So I think 401 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:22.000 it's better for her, but it's definitely good for me to write because, 402 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.160 like, my work shows it. So I don't know if that makes sense 403 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:26.400 to you, but yeah, yeah, man, I like it, you 404 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:29.359 know, and I've thought about that too. I mean, I'm not quite 405 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:33.200 there yet to repurpose. I don't think our episodes have been out long enough, 406 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:34.960 but I thought even for a live show, I could jump on here 407 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:37.960 and say hey, guys, check this out, blah, blah, Blah 408 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.240 Blah, and and go here's the interview I did with such and such and 409 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:45.640 just play the video and not feel the pressure of bringing on a guess or 410 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:48.799 having a cohost or whatever. So I can even do that with the live 411 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.559 stream as well. So yeah, man, that's that's good tips because, 412 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:55.960 you know, it's like, like I said, right now for me in 413 00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:59.920 my process it's Super Fun. I got the new car smell, I'm washing 414 00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:03.720 it every two days, but in about three months from now image I'm going 415 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:06.200 to be like, okay, this is a this is wiging on me, 416 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:08.599 so I got to figure out some creative ways to continue on. That also 417 00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:11.720 is very like whenever I get invited to any live shows, for example, 418 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.880 like this one here, I usually just go to instagram live and just say 419 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.559 hey, guys, I'm going to be an x show. What are you 420 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:23.519 reading me there? You know, that's I learned from other people doing this 421 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:29.559 and it takes literally two minutes, three minutes, just to be live telling 422 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:33.640 people high and if you're having questions, come on the show or ask me 423 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:37.200 now, then I'll ask you that question. So I think it's more of 424 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:41.759 a playing around with it and whatever works. I mean I'm not saying that 425 00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.200 it's working, but I enjoying doing this. That's why I do it there. 426 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.400 It was nothing to do with marketing, has nothing to doing anything. 427 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.559 It's because I like doing it. Yeah, man, I think that was 428 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:55.039 one of my biggest things. Because why I tell people, and I bet 429 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:56.559 you get this too, and I tell people, yeah, I started daily 430 00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:02.960 live show podcast. They go uh Huh, that's a lot of work and 431 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:06.359 I'm like yeah, it's work, but I like it, man, like 432 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.680 I enjoy you know, it's like for me, doing a live show every 433 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:12.119 day is like most people making their bed or taking their dog for a walk, 434 00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:15.400 like it's just a part of like what I like to do and I've 435 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:19.119 been doing it for years, just not very organized. So I would show 436 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:23.160 up a live clubhouse, instagram live, facebook, live. I'd show up 437 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:27.440 live anyway. I just didn't have any structure around. I didn't have a 438 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.440 really a purpose. I mean clubhouse had a little bit more of a purpose 439 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:34.079 and than most places, but I was doing it anyhow. So I'm like, 440 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.920 wait a second, I got a funnel, list this thing in, 441 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.759 you know, get my stuff right, get everything ready and then launch it. 442 00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:44.799 So for people watching or listening, you might be in that situation where 443 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:47.920 you're showing up a live anyway you show up a live on wisdom or clubhouse 444 00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:52.039 and Instagram, maybe even a few times a day. You know, funnel 445 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:53.920 that in and build your brand. I think that's what you know, this 446 00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:56.440 is allowed me to do, is to show up every day, and now 447 00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:00.559 I'm getting the attention of of other Pi's and brands again. Oh, you're 448 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.279 live every single day. I'm I gather. Well, you know, can 449 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.359 we talk about promoting our product? We talk about promoting, you know, 450 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.559 our service or whatever. So yeah, man, a lot of opportunities. 451 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:12.119 Have you seen that with your show? Have you, you know, come 452 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:17.759 across any monetization deals besides? You know, maybe yes, I have. 453 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.480 I can say anything in detail, but I have been approached and I've been 454 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.960 very blessed, billy, that someone coming up to me and saying let's do 455 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:32.880 this together. You know, it's all about waiting the game. I mean 456 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.559 people have told me from day one, when I got on Clubhouse, like 457 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.960 in the beginning of last year sometime, they actually said that why don't you 458 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:44.359 just monetize from day one, and I'm like, it's it's tough, billy. 459 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.400 Just to be clear. It's tough to just go up to billy saying 460 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:51.039 billy, can you give me money, because I have nothing to show who 461 00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:55.920 I am. So I feel that I need to show what I can do 462 00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:59.319 before I ask for money. Now, if I come to you, billy, 463 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:02.000 and I say that can you give me money for for my show, 464 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.720 in sponsor the show, you'll be like why not, because I've seen your 465 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:11.160 work. So if feels that you have done all the credibility right, that's 466 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.079 including newsletters. Right, people have come up to me and saying, why 467 00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:19.000 don't you be a writer on a newspaper? So that's an idea, right, 468 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:22.440 and I've never thought of being a writer. I was always been at 469 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:27.599 technologist for for a last thirty years. So I think I've been in radio 470 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:32.960 donkey world back in my young days and now in my younger days I'm on 471 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:37.720 a podcast show. So I'm look at that. I ready to look where 472 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.559 my turning point is after thirty years. So I think it's a great journey 473 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:44.400 where I'm doing so far. Yeah, man, I like it. You're 474 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.359 coming back to your first love. That's what I always say about my journey. 475 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:49.200 is a because you know, I was in TV world for a while 476 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:53.160 working for other people and you know, as always, on this side of 477 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.920 the camera, the other side of the camera, and then I'll you know, 478 00:31:57.039 --> 00:31:59.759 it's like man, I want to take a shot at that, like 479 00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:02.240 I have something to say, to contribute. I you know, I think 480 00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:06.880 I'm entertaining at times or, you know, can bring some value. So 481 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.279 I wanted to get my voice out. And so, yeah, it's been, 482 00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:12.720 you know, for me to kind of like come around three hundred and 483 00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.640 sixty back to back to the basics, you know, to mention your podcast 484 00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:20.519 again. So well, you know, the you know, the thing is 485 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:24.480 my my my grandfather, he used to be a director back in the Bollywood 486 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:29.160 days and black and white movies, right, and my dad, he was 487 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:32.200 a singer. He's a writer also, he's a photographer also. So if 488 00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:37.119 you think about all the stuff that these guys did, I'm actually doing all 489 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:42.519 in one shot, because I'm being an writer, right, I have a 490 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.319 camera in front of me, which I'm a videographer a plus I go to 491 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:50.839 weddings and plus I have a voice, which I talked to people every day. 492 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.279 So doing thing. Those are the same talents that they had and I'm 493 00:32:53.319 --> 00:33:00.160 putting this into one show and if feels great. It's using talents. So 494 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.839 it's a looking great. And it is. You know, it is fun 495 00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:07.400 and I think for people are listening, maybe you're contemplating a live show or 496 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:12.039 a daily show or, you know, maybe maybe a daily live show, 497 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.279 maybe daily podcast. I would say go for it, because you don't have 498 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:20.440 to do everything forever. It's like you're probably not married to your podcast a 499 00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:22.119 yeah, sure, it would be a bomber if you got to a place 500 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:24.640 where you couldn't want you know, you couldn't do it or didn't want to 501 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:29.519 do it, but at the end of the day it's like that stuff is 502 00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:31.880 going to live forever. I mean your podcast is literally going to be out 503 00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:36.839 there in the world on these platforms for as long as those platforms exist. 504 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.640 So it's kind of a cool like little time capsule you're creating in a sense. 505 00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.039 Well, you know, that reminds me. You know, I totally 506 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:50.759 forgot that December two thousand and twenty was my very first intro podcast. I 507 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.039 said to myself that if people are going to love it, they're going to 508 00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:57.680 love it. If they're going to fail, then I'm just not going to 509 00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:02.000 do it. So I think whoever's listening right now just take the leverage and 510 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:06.440 just go for it. Regardless of if you have a radio voice. You 511 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:08.639 don't have a radio voice, if you have a visual run, you're not 512 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:13.000 a camera guy, no issues at all, but your voice needs to be 513 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.079 hurt. So just try as much as you can. I mean, I 514 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.840 tried it and and I thought I was going to drown and, honestly speaking, 515 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.360 I'm not drowning, I'm swimming. So I I think you just have 516 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.480 to take that leap, whatever that is. Yeah, man, that's that's 517 00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:30.320 great advice. Gear shall love that. I mean, we've talked about so 518 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:32.159 many things, I think so I could listen to this thirty five, thirty 519 00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:36.159 six minutes that we've been here and be like wow, this is like a 520 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.800 lot of information, a lot to swallow. Is there anything else that you 521 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.039 want to touch on that we haven't touched on? I know you spoke a 522 00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.800 little bit about newsletters. We could get into it this episode or we could 523 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:51.039 have you back and do it another episode. I'm goals in your court. 524 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:54.000 Oh No, I'm ready to talk about news letters. I'm ready to talk 525 00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:59.199 about what's planned for next year. Also. I'm I mean the years not 526 00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:01.679 even over yet and we're talking about next year now. Crazy. Yeah, 527 00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:09.920 I'm talking about next month? Maybe? Yeah. So newsletter was something which 528 00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:15.039 I didn't realize that I was going to do. Honestly speaking, I thought 529 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:16.760 of myself that people are doing it, and what the Hell is that? 530 00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:22.280 Right? It's more of telling people what you're doing and what you're planning are 531 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.719 doing. So that's why I have two types of newsletters. If you go 532 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:30.800 to my website and just subscribe to that, you know if I have a 533 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:37.679 weekly and a monthly newsletter. The weekly newsletters are the ones that tell you 534 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:42.639 that what resonated with me when I record every day with a with a guest 535 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.840 of mine, and whatever guests resonates with me, they will be part of 536 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:51.719 that article. For example, there was a guy that I did automation show 537 00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:55.280 on and we talked about how automation and work life lab balance changes. There's 538 00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.840 are another one that we talked about I care, because I care is soon 539 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.119 stem important that nobody really thinks of. There was another one which is going 540 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.760 to be funny for you billy, but the show what we talked about metapause 541 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:13.320 and and that resonated me for all the ladies out there. So I said 542 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.159 make that an article about that. There was another one that who was a 543 00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:22.480 podcaster and he's been doing this for eight ninety years and he's like you doing 544 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:25.679 all this and you have done this in eighteen months and didn't realize. So 545 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:30.159 he became a article on my news letter this week and I just posted out 546 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:34.159 today. So if you go there and take a look at it, I 547 00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.320 mean these are the people inspires me. So that's my weekly and a monthly 548 00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:42.000 is I release every day, as everyone knows, which means that I have 549 00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:47.360 thousand, twenty eight people coming every month in my show. It's it's nice 550 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:52.960 to go and compliment them and saying gratitude to them. So I usually say 551 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.719 thank you to all my guests on my show and plus I give a link 552 00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.519 of the episodes so people can just take a look at it. Right. 553 00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:05.599 I think that's that. And then the other thing you for the monthly is 554 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.320 I tell them what we have accomplished and what we're going to be doing in 555 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:15.159 the next few more month or year for that matter. So that's that for 556 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.760 my newsletter and it seems a lot, but it seems very fun at the 557 00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:22.199 same time because I'm I'm learning as we go how the design is going to 558 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.360 be and all that fun stuff. People they don't really care too much about 559 00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:30.360 design, but they really care if the information is correct it. So I 560 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:35.920 think that's that. That's about my newsletter, about my next year's plan or, 561 00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.960 if I get enough capital, enough sponsorship or whatever it is, I 562 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:45.360 think there will be a digital magazine for backtobasics and I think that's one leap 563 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.719 that I think I'm going to go for. So let's see what happened. 564 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.000 Yeah, man, I Love I love that newsletter idea. I'm a horrible 565 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.760 rider. So maybe there's somebody that can help me out, or I could 566 00:37:55.760 --> 00:38:00.719 pay to help me. I don't expecting for free. You can now do 567 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:02.719 it for you. How about that? There we go, here we are 568 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.840 little put a little pitch meeting right here on the show. I love it. 569 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:09.519 But now I do love that idea of you that keeps people in the 570 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:13.599 loop to you know, like Oh, here's what happened, here's the guests. 571 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.519 That keeps your guests in front of your audience, you know, one 572 00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.960 more time or several more times and lives in that email, you know, 573 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:23.320 inbox or whatnot. So I think that's a good way to market the shows. 574 00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:27.119 You all the all the guests that I've talked to. They won't be 575 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.119 released in till the month of July or month of May, or whatever I'm 576 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:32.519 making that day's up, but you know what I mean, right. So 577 00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:37.239 it's better to let people know that these are the people that I've already talked 578 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:40.039 to and what inspiration is going to be coming up soon. So I think 579 00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:44.199 it's more exciting for them, or is it for me? I would say 580 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:47.719 both. Right. So that's my thought process on that. And Then, 581 00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:53.599 plus, earlier in the show I talked about the rankings of the apple podcast. 582 00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:58.760 Every week changes right when it comes to ranking. So I think that's 583 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:04.480 also important that now we're standing around the world according to me. So so 584 00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:09.239 right now I'm ranking all three different areas according to Sweden, Taiwan and some 585 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:13.880 of you other places. I don't remember. Britain. Yeah. So, 586 00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:16.800 so it's great to be a you know, acknowledging that. And then I 587 00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:22.000 want to listen notes and I found out that I'm averaging listening note thirty two 588 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.679 right now and five percent listening. So I think, I think I'm doing 589 00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:29.400 okay, whatever it is, I don't know what it is, but I'm 590 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.239 doing okay. That's that's awesome and I love it. I don't know anything 591 00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:36.360 about ranking. Someone listen notes as well. I get on there and, 592 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:38.079 you know, like every six months and I'm like, Oh, this is 593 00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:40.599 cool, like I don't really know what it means. I don't know where 594 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:45.760 information comes from. But as far as the other rankings, like for Britain, 595 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:47.039 you know for Britain, all those in the UK and all that, 596 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:51.760 where you getting this information from? Like who's putting it out there? Yeah, 597 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:53.239 or really, what's that called? charterable? So when I go to 598 00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:57.280 chartables, so'll, you know, list it out. But I want everyone 599 00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.239 to understand that. The reason why I'm saying that it makes me feel that 600 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:07.679 I'm doing well for myself. Numbers seriously does not matter, because I think 601 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:12.239 if you look at the numbers, I think the excitement kind of goes away. 602 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.119 When it comes to the PODCAST WORLD, I've seen people fade away because 603 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:20.920 the numbers are crap or too high or whatever did I really don't know what 604 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:25.079 it is. So this is just to acknowledge that I'm doing well and my 605 00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:30.239 path is correct and I want people to know my path. I I don't 606 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.280 look at the numbers. You know, I've I've asked a lot of people 607 00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.159 including yourself, believed that. How do you see back to basics? From 608 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:42.519 the outside world, because I enjoy whatever I do it from the inside world. 609 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.840 How do you see it? So and a lot of people are the 610 00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:50.880 acknowledged are in a positive way. So I think I'm blessed with people around 611 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.199 me, including yourself, supporting me on that. Yeah, man, I 612 00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:57.639 think you said something really key and I don't focus on numbers at all. 613 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.239 I don't focus on numbers for personal stuff, I don't for validation, I 614 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:05.840 don't focus on numbers for sponsors, because I am doing you know, it's 615 00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:07.480 like it's like if you're a musician, if you're a singer, I fear 616 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.880 whatever, like you're doing it for the love of the art, and in 617 00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:14.800 podcasting, at the end of the day, is an art in my opinion, 618 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.280 and it's like art first and then all this other stuff is great, 619 00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:22.039 like all the money, all this fun stuff that you can do, relationships, 620 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.039 but it's like the art of doing it and there's so many more benefits 621 00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:31.559 to podcasting than just numbers and downloads and finances. It's relationship. It's like 622 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:37.880 I've seen your icon on clubhouse for a year blinking, and now I get 623 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:39.960 to see your face and I'm like, Oh, this is way more fun. 624 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:44.159 I get to talk to you one on one versus, you know, 625 00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:46.440 taking turns in a group of thirty people. And so, you know, 626 00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:51.519 for me, like this is the magic of creating content, this is the 627 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.159 magic of podcasting, is that ability to network with twenty, eight to thirty 628 00:41:55.199 --> 00:42:00.119 different people every single month and talk to them pre shore and post show and 629 00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:05.400 work out audio kinks and video stuff and it's a lot of fun, man. 630 00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:08.840 So if anybody's considering it, to find those reasons for it. Don't 631 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:13.239 get me wrong. I mean numbers obviously do play a key role when it 632 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:16.000 comes to sponsorship, because you got to see where your listeners are right and 633 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:22.679 so numbers are important depending on what you're trying to do, just like what 634 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.960 billy said. If you don't care about all that, I think you just 635 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:30.760 need to focus on you and the content and that's it. Yeah, and 636 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:32.639 all that stuff will come in, all the numbers will come, all the 637 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:36.199 stuff will. You know, it's like for my fishing show, it's probably 638 00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.719 the most successful thing I've done as far as creating content, and you know, 639 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:44.920 at first like we had four hundred downloads, like for for the first 640 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.480 month and it was you know, for us it was like well, cool, 641 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:51.400 we went't got a sponsor with four hundred because we knew the vision of 642 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.679 the show, not just what was here, but we looked further on and 643 00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:58.119 said hey, here's what we can do, here's what we're capable of. 644 00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:01.000 So when I first started this I said, who the hell is going to 645 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:06.199 be listening to me, honestly speaking, but if you go with that attitude 646 00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.480 you're not going to get anywhere. So my thought process is even if you 647 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:13.599 get one download, when I say one, I mean one, people are 648 00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:16.800 listening. Yeah, so, so I'm just fortunate that people are listening. 649 00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:22.840 I'm averaging many, many numbers on my show. So I'm good. And 650 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.320 there was a mother's very special which I did last year, the very first 651 00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:29.800 one, and there are five ladies on there. Do you have any idea? 652 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:35.880 But my listening a downloads work for that episode for Govenard. So with 653 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.000 a lot. Yeah, which means that people are listening, people they want 654 00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:44.639 to be heard, or listened I should say. So I think it's just 655 00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.440 a thought process and you just have to enjoy your work, nothing else. 656 00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:51.320 Love it, man. I think it's great. advised. Gearish, is 657 00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:52.960 there a is there anything you want to leave the audience with? It we 658 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.400 haven't already. I think we've covered a lot, but want to give you 659 00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:59.400 a couple minutes here if you want to see, you know, leaven with 660 00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:02.079 something else. We guys, if you go to my website, back to 661 00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:06.639 basics mode, and you go and subscribe to my newsletters, because they will 662 00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:08.400 be a weekly in a monthly newsletter, and if you want to be a 663 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:12.880 guest on my show about anything that you can think of, with all the 664 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.239 subjects according to my website, just go there and let's Chit Chat, let's 665 00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:21.880 have a call and let's make it successful for you and for myself. I 666 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.480 mean that's just on the podcast world. On the other side, I do 667 00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:30.800 have a production house called back to basics mode, and we help people to 668 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:37.119 be great podcasters. We help people communication skills when it comes to public speaking. 669 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.199 So those are the things that I help out and I've helped out many 670 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:44.079 kids and schools and those are the courses that I help out. I do 671 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:45.920 also and consulting to and play it. By the way, Bill, I'm 672 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:51.559 also on the OWL APP also, so I'm help so I'm helping people there 673 00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.239 too. So I think if anyone wants to get in touch with me, 674 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:59.320 I'm in every platform that you can think of. I will not hide. 675 00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:01.880 I promise us that you have to be diligent and you have to be kind 676 00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:06.840 to otherwise I want to reply back, but that's just how I am and 677 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:08.880 you know, you just support me as much as you count on all my 678 00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:15.000 shows and and definitely rate his show in my show, because that's the only 679 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.920 way to improve when it comes to, I guess, ratings, if you 680 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.320 want to care about ratings. Yeah, right, yeah, I mean it's 681 00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.360 a way too for us to one. I think it validates like Oh, 682 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.960 the messaging is coming through, so that's encouraging, man. That's until we 683 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:34.360 often it's like I would I'd rather you leave me a review, an honest 684 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:37.880 review, then buy me a five Dollar Cup of coffee, because I'm going 685 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:40.000 to I'm going to spend your five bucks and I appreciate that, but I 686 00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:44.880 would rather have that feedback to say hey, what is it that I'm doing 687 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:49.000 or not doing that you know you want to see? And so it's a 688 00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.239 really good to and guys looking for US guys. If you think I'm going 689 00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:57.760 to be a great host or great guest on any show. You can just 690 00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:00.480 go to my linkedin and get to the section where it says recommendations. All 691 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:05.639 my guest recommended me, good or bad, whatever it is. I mean 692 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:10.599 the the comments are there and my work shows. So hopefully that'll bring people 693 00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:14.719 in for you and myself. Well, Gersh, I love it. Man, 694 00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:16.320 thank you so much for being on the show. I appreciate you. 695 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:21.519 I'll have you back on at a later date and we can talk about whatever 696 00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:23.559 else we come up with. But this is fun. This is fun talking 697 00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:28.679 about daily shows and how you produce a daily show. So everyone, go 698 00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:30.639 check that out. We'll see it. We'll see the later cash. I 699 00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:32.719 appreciate you so much, man. Yeah, God blast, I remember. 700 00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:37.599 Everything in life goes back to basics. That's what backtobasics is all about, 701 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.639 guys. Awesome and like it, like it so much. Thank you so 702 00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:44.360 much, gerish. All right, everyone, that is a wrap for creating 703 00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:46.320 daily for Garish man, I don't know who's fired up. I'm. You 704 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:51.360 know, if I was even getting a little tired of producing a daily show, 705 00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.719 they got me fired up knowing someone else who does it. So that's 706 00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:59.480 really important for you to get in a community of people who are doing what 707 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:01.320 you're doing. Maybe they've maybe they've already gone where you want to be, 708 00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:06.360 or maybe they are doing what you're doing and you want to gather around those 709 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.880 people who are like minded and have that same drive, in that same passion. 710 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:13.079 So I want to I want to invite you to the creating daily facebook 711 00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.719 group. We have a discord server as well, but seems like people are 712 00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:20.320 more active in facebook. I'm going to focus back on that. So go 713 00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:23.360 over there, check out that facebook group called creating daily, and it's where 714 00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:28.159 a bunch of other content creators are and if you have any questions or whatnot, 715 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:31.039 you can check that out and then be back tomorrow. I'm going to 716 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:35.320 be running a solo show tomorrow, but we're going to be talking about niche 717 00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:38.079 or no niche, like what are the pros and cons of each? I'm 718 00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:43.400 going to share my personal experience of how I got into a niche podcast, 719 00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:46.960 how I've made money with that in multiple different ways and how it makes my 720 00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:52.280 life just literally, just a little easier by having a niche. However, 721 00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:53.440 there's a lot of fun and not having a niche. So I've kind of 722 00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:58.679 talked about those you know niche versus not a niche. Tomorrow, two PM 723 00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:01.000 Eastern time. So Oh, we'll see you there all right. Thanks everybody 724 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:05.119 for watching. Hit that subscribe button or hit that Fall Abuton talk soon.