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Are Center. We can really like
you're listening to creating daily. There's something
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wrong with you. You know that, because you and I are like a
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mullets. It is the is the
business. So he's the front part of
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the haircut and then I'm the party
in the back. I think they're hilarious.
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Speaks to me. It's like he's
saying what I'm thinking. All right,
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what is up, everybody? Welcome
to another episode of creating daily.
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In today I'm going to be joined
here in a few minutes with my by
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my friend Ale Handra, and we're
going to talk about the creative process and
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how do you learn how to create? Can you learn how to create?
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Are you born a creator? Like
what does that process look like? So
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we're going to get get that from
her perspective, as she is a graphic
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designer and a podcaster, which two
of my favorite things. My wife is
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a graphic designer and I'm a podcaster, so she's my wife and I together
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at the same time. Anyway,
that's getting really weird. But before we
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jump into it, I want to
get some house cleaning, house stuff out
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of the way, whatever this means. If you are on clubhouse and you've
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So that is a little bit of that.
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Now. Anyway, enough of that
stuff. Just want to make that
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announcement and, as always, to
kick the show off we got Creator highlights.
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No cooking necessary and the assembly required. It's got to be fuck all
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right. This week our creator highlight
is brought to you by one sheet pro.
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So, if you're watching the video, go to on sheeet dot pro
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Billy Thorpe to go check it out. It is a creator profile, it
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is a press kit and Media Kit, all those fun things. So if
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you want to get booked on more
shows as a creator, go to one
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sheet and set that up. And
then the beauty is you can also get
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paid from just being on the platform
as people, because it has an auto
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affiliate program that you can sign up
for. So there you go so you
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can you can get paid for that. So if you get a on sheeet.
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So that's the number one sheet dot
pro, Billy Thorpe. If you're
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listening or if you're somewhere close,
there's a link by with some show linked
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that's going to take you to my
one sheet pro you can check it out,
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you can see what I've done with
it and then you can scroll down
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on the bottom, click on one
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there's a free version, but if
you buy the pro version I get a
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small commission. So today's creator highlight
goes to Andrew Rousseau. I don't really
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know much about any but he's a
comedian that I follow on instagram and I
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was just finished laughing at one of
his videos and I thought, you know
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what, this is pretty awesome.
So I've invited him on the show and
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then also wanted to highlight him as
a creator. Super Funny Guy. Makes
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some really funny skip videos on instagram. But I will say where some headphones
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if you got little ones running around, because some of it can get a
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little wild. But I can't help
with the laugh I think it's so funny.
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So all right, so that's a
little creator highlight for you. And
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now we got some that's news to
me. Creating daily. All right,
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it looks like that Youtube could potentially
be getting into the podcasting game. According
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to Pod News, which you don't
follow upon news, just do it,
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okay. They get a daily podcasting
the all the podcasting news. And I
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just got this in my inbox this
morning from pod news that there's not been
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an official statement from Youtube, but
they did send out an extensive guide or
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like a like kind of I don't
know what it was, some extensive information
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packet, of information document that was
sent to some media outlets to talk about
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Youtube and podcasting and maybe even potentially
putting rss feeds on their platform. So
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there you go, you or podcasters. Maybe Youtube cares about you now,
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maybe they care about us. I
get a lot of people from Youtube to
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watch my other show, not this
show in particular because we just started it,
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but my other show. That's where
I feel like a lot of our
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audience came from. So now if
you tube puts a little focus on that,
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that's going to be really awesome.
Really excited about that. So keep
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your eye out for new opportunities in
your on your account there for your podcast
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to go the actual RSS feed to
go onto YouTube. So pretty cool.
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But once again, that's just a
couple little segments to break up the show.
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But I want to jump right in
here with my friend Ali Handra,
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and she's just joining me from all
the way over across somewhere else in the
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world, and we're going to get
to all that. She has a graphic
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designer, she's a podcaster and her
podcast is called do I need to do?
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I need school to be I love
this question. Do I need school
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to be a doctor, a graphic
designer, website developer? All this one
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thing. So anyway, I'm going
to shut up now. I'm going to
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bring my friend Alex on. Alex, how are you good? To See
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you? Don't answer because I haven't
known muted you yet, because I always
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forget to do this. And there
we go. Perfect. Hey, billy,
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I goes a hurt now that I'm
on Mute, on Mute on me,
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that death. Sorry, it's it's
a Wednesday. It's he looks one
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say it's a Wednesday. Yeah,
I feel a hurt. I'n't seen and
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you should. You're here. You're
on the creating daily show. All twelve
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people are watching US right now.
I know, I'm so excited. Hey,
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twelve people, ex twelve people.
If there's something that I've learned from
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you, billy, it's that an
audience is an audience. Doesn't have to
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be gigantic. It can just be
a few good people listening to you.
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Why not? What is the problem
with that? Yeah, right, yeah,
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you just gotta have yeah, that's
it. Just get find your people.
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Slow and steady growth is always good. So don't want to be in
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a hurry to do that. So
so, so, only hundred. Take
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us through, and I'm going to
probably get between a hundred Alex and and
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whatnot. It's just how I am. So it's fine. Both are good.
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All right, perfect, all right, cool. So take us before
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we jump into you know, can
we learn to creator? How do we
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learn to create? Take us a
little bit through your Creator Journey, how
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you got to the point of being
in graphic design and podcasting and all the
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multih things you do as a creator. Oh, well, some little background
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story. Let's complicate it. Well, so did I love suit? I
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don't know if I lost you.
Okay, I'm on airs. I'm getting
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this. Still there you are.
We're still here. We're still hey,
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you just see what I see.
Sorry, I didn't tell you that before.
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Okay, cool, Um. Well, so I am Alex or Alejandra.
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The reason that I use those two
naves it's because I'm originally from Eculor
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so from Latin America, but I
live in I live in a English speaking,
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of Dutch English speaking country. So
for a lot of people is way
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easier to just go by like call
me Alex because all, that's why my
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Grandpa, by grandparents called me when
I was little. So I'm fine with
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that. But yeah, I'm a
graphic designer. I have been. I
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have two degrees. I have one
from it's a call and op lighting in
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Dutch, or an US be doing
in German, which is a technical degree
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in graphic design, and I did
that when I failed out of German high
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school because I wanted to go into
engineering, because in Latin America, being
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a creator it's basically want to start
to death, or that's the the idea
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that it's put in our heads.
So I decided, okay, I want
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to create something, but in a
more financial, a sustainable way. So
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I wanted to go into engineering.
Then I decided okay, engineering, my
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not be my deal, since I
fell at a school and I went into
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this graphic design program and I went
there for three and a half I did
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that for three and a half years. Then I went to work in this
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big, big data company where my
job was to create info graphics. I
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love INPO graphics. They're Super Fun, they're super interesting, but I didn't
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feel very challenge creatively. I was
like, okay, I'm making the same
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thing over and over again. It's
great, it has value, but I
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don't really feel that creative. So
I decided to go back to school and
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get my second degree as a graphic
designer in a very art see Art Academy
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in The Netherlands, and I've been
freelancing ever since and discovering more avenues to
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create by creating a podcast. I
also do service design, which is create
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services. Actually like creating services,
which is something we are like. We
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don't think about it. We always
think creative things are super arts and I
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think that's what challenges a lot of
people. They're like, I cannot write
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a symphony, therefore I'm not creative. I cannot paint a portrait, therefore
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I'm not creative. But creativity comes
in so many shapes and sizes and ways
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and it's about making connections and finding
new avenues. So, if you that's
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actually the point of my podcast,
that everybody can be creative and just how
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we become creative, how learned how
to be creative. Think a lot of
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them are focused on the amazing artists
and I love learning the stories about amazing
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artists, but I'm also very curious
about how other people became creative, how
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create care tvd he's taught how we
learned that. And Yeah, I think
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that's a that's a little bit I
don't want to get to her head of
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the show. Yeah, you're good. I love that story show. Yeah,
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I love that story and you know, I mentioned earlier that my wife
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is also a graphic designer and she
actually went through nursing school and was almost
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finished with nursing school and then I
think someone spit their false teeth into her
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hand for her to clean them and
then she was like, you know what,
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this isn't really for me, and
so she went, you know,
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left nursing school, went to a
graphic design actually wasn't really like I think
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it was like video game design.
That's type of program graphic design, video
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game illustrator, all that kind of
fun stuff and and so that's what she
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did. She went back to school
and I find a lot of creators have
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that same you know, people who
are interested in more the arts creativity.
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What kind of talk about that and
then we'll go into how most stuff,
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and I mean I think everything in
life is creative or can be, but
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I find a lot of people have
that mental block and maybe it is taught
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in our society, like artists or
poor. Creators are poor. If you
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if you want to be poured,
then you do this. But I don't
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know when it flipped. I know
my wife makes really good money as a
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graphic designer and so I'm like,
I don't know what you guys are talking
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about. Maybe she took a different
route, but were I guess you were
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told that as well. That was
seems like it was kind of your story
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as well, like, but did
you know it from early on that you
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were creative, so to speaking,
art to creative? Well, I was
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always tall. I was always told
that it that I was. So if
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you ask, my grandparents still say
like I always knew that she was creative.
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My parents were actually like I always
had a very strong imagination my parents
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were actually scared of me at one
point because I remember when I was little
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I had this book in school.
It was called Blue Planet, and I
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came up with the story that I
had a family in blue planet and when
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my mom told me, like,
you have to eat Broccoli, I was
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like well, my mommy blue planet, never makes me eat broccoli or this
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and that. And my imaginary friends
were not something that I kept secret.
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Like I would say to my parents, Oh, don't sit there because my
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little brother is sitting there, and
the mom was like, each is she
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seeing ghosts? Wow, should we
worry about this? So you had a
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whole like alternative family on a different
planet in your mind when you're a little
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kid. That's cool. Yeah,
and I didn't hide it. My Dad
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was the world that she will grow
out of it. If she does,
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said, then we need to have
a say once or like throw a holy
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water on her, but she will
grow out of it. But that was
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always the thing. I always wanted
to do something creative, like in school,
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I always leaned toward drawing, leaned
toward making things and like telling stories,
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and it was really fund for me
like getting an assignment at school for
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like writing assignment I love that,
or watching movies or always, like I
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have, always a very active imagination. You know, the thing that they
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already does, that you have an
argument with somebody and you create scenarious and
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you're like, Oh, I should
have said that, I should have done
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that, I should have done like
I take that into overdrive. I came
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up with I come up with a
whole scenarian story and different possible alternative futures
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and or passed past, because the
arguman past. But still like. So
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I always knew, or I always
wanted to do something creative. The question
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was, what am I going to
do? How I'm I going to support
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myself? Is it possible, and
I totally agree with you, that every
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word, every job is creative.
I mean, I am not supporting creative
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accounting. Creative accounting, it's kind
of dicey term if you think about it.
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Yeah, right, like, I
know, I want my account it
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to be creative, that's for sure. Give me paid last us, as
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long as they make it legal and
completely fine, a creative accounting. I
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for example. So, I am
a German citizen because I list in Germany
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for a very long time and I
remember clearly as when I graduated from school.
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I needed to change my so to
a drop searching Viza, which I
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was so night I paid in it. Oh, I think her. I
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think your Internet may have dropped out
here. All right, we're gonna se
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if we could get all the hundre
back on. Sorry about that. I
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think her Internet just dropped out.
So we will. We will resume accordingly.
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So we're talking about just to kind
of reset the live stream a little
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bit here while we're waiting is we're
talking to ally Hondra about the can you
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be creative? Can you learn how
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kind of getting some backstory from her
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really quickly with us. These things
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So is what it is. But
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you that if you're watching or wherever
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you so you can click that link
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show. And I believe he or
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pop. I'm gonna try to pull
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it's gonna let me. Oh,
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gonna let me. We'll see.
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gonna. I'm gonna drop you out
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jump back in. It's not letting
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it's not let me bring your in, but maybe if she can't get in
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this time, I'll just I'll have
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bring your audience audio through in there. All right, so let's try one
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more time here. All right,
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it's not let me bring you into
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you don't care, if you have
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jump into the clubhouse room, I
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If you want. We can just
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that maybe our internets weren't the best, but it's part of it. So
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while you're waiting or while we're waiting
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here, if I can. I
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a second. Be sure to click
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dot live. You could check out
all the links there, the one sheet,
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all that kind of fun stuff,
and get a list of where we
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go live at as well. So
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will continue our conversation about creativity.
I can getting some of her back story
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and then we're going to jump into
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create. All right, let's see
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working. I think it's working.
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but yeah, you can hear me. Yeah, we can hear you
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and we can see it is lagging
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no worries, we can continue on
the conversation. So you were her day.
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So I don't know exactly what point
you're at. You're telling me that
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you're a German citizen, and then
that's the visa thing. Yeah, but
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it must thing. Yeah, so
I had to switch visas and I remember
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that I went to the immigration office, immigration of the yeah, that's what
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you call immigration office. Yeah,
and my case worker was Super Nice and
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she said like, okay, you
don't fall specifically into any category, so
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I have to come up with something
for you. What exactly do you want
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to do? And I'm like,
I don't know, I want to find
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a job, I want to support
myself, I want to work, I
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while I find my real job.
So my real open, quote closs job.
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And she just took this book with
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Okay, this applies to young going
to photocopy this and we'll patch this
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and we'll patch that in and we'll
take that and we'll take this. Wait,
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how old are you? This is
apply. Yes, it applies to
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you. Wait, this doesn't apply
to you. So I thought she was
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being very creative in that moment.
She saw that I had a problem,
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she learned what I needed, she
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way to make connections and assistance that
would work for me, and that's a
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creative process. So the person who
works in the immigration office, I highly
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bureaucratic job that we would never see
us creative, was actually extremely creative in
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how she did her job. So
creativity can be in anything. It's it's
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not just the fine art, it's
not just it's how you present yourself.
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You can you can be a human
resources worker and make a creative on boarding
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process for a new employees at a
large company. You can work at a
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sendich shop and make clearly creative compositions
with your art, which is sentiist.
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So yeah, it's and that's the
thing about your parts that there's show that
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as less creating daily. You can
create daily, just because it's not a
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masterpieces of me that you're not creating
something. Yeah, I love that and
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I love that you brought that up
because I think a lot of people you
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know who, and I know people
who are creators in the sense of like
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the popular term that we live in
and the world we live in right now,
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just being a podcaster or an artist
or graphic designer, a live streamer
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or whatever. People go well,
they do that, but then they also
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have this Ninneto five job, but
they're like, I'm not really a creator
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because I'm working on hundred twent five, like I know you are. You
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are creator, like you're you're going
home and you're making stuff and you're a
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painter and you're an artist, and
so I know a lot of people who
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don't think that they're creators, but
they're doing such creative things and making furniture
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and do painting their house. I
mean like that to me is a creative
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thing, to pick out paint colors
and make everything match, like it's very
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creative, you know. So it's
like. So I think for people listening
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or watching, it's like it's really, you know, important for you.
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If you're stuck on this this.
Am I creator? Am I not?
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I would just throw this you know, yes or no out the window in
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just say everyone is a creator to
some extent. I mean I feel like
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that's pretty fair. So let's go
through the process of how do you learn
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how to create? Because I'm a
creator in the sense of problem solving,
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thinking about, you know, ways
to get technology and things to work together.
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I don't feel like I'm a creator
in the sense of I'm the guy
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that's going to innovate the next road
cast pro competition, you know what I
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mean. So, but do you
feel like people can do that or is
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it, like you know, like
I have, and I'm trying to frame
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this up the right way and maybe
you know bring it together. Is I
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have friends of mine, their athletes
and they, you're just like, from
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the time they were able to walk, like super athletes, and then I'm
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just like man, they're so great
at it. But for me, if
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I want to be an athlete,
I gotta like work my tail off to
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figure that out. You feel like
that's the same thing for creative people and
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graphic designers and podcasters, since you'll
kind of stay in our lanes here?
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Well, I think there's a series
of skills that you need to learn.
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There is a learning curve, a
process of this learning skills to become a
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certain thing, figuring out your niche. It's a whole process to become a,
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let's call it, a certified creative
and then there is the question,
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is somebody paying you for it?
Then that's also a key question. If
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somebody, I think you know what, let you put it this way.
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You're a dad, right, Yep, you have a really adorable son.
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I love when you post about Im
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You're a dad where you're also so
many other things. You are also a
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husband, you also have friends,
so you're also friend. You are somebody's
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kid, yours, maybe, you
have said. I don't know you have
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seen this, but you're so many
things and being a creator is one of
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them. MMM, Stadley, in
society I think that we're told that you
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don't put all your eggs in the
creative basket, then you're not a creative
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wow. But being a creative yeah, it's a part of so many things,
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like we're's as such a collection of
experiences and things. And if you
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can make being creative the main part
of your life, making your job,
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because also society makes us identify with
our jobs, it's you don't say I
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work in medicine, you say I'm
a doctor. You don't say I work
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in graphic design, you say I
am a graphic designer. And if you
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say I work in it's home.
It sounds almost like your list committed to
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it if you're not giving it a
hundred and ten percent, because you say
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I work in yeah, and but
we don't. We don't think about that
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in other ways. We don't say
I mean if you don't tell me Your
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Dad, doesn't mean. The real
lesson bad because you didn't mention it one
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conversation that you're a dad. You're
still at that, you still do all
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those things and you're still a combination
of all these objects. So, in
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the sense of being a graphic designer, there are a set of skills that
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you can learn, and that's what
education is for, teaching you skills,
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helping you find your path, helping
you find what parts of graphic design you
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like. Like. I personally don't
like making logos. I am a rare
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breed of graphic designer who doesn't like
making logos. I just don't enjoy it.
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There are other people, and shout
out to made by James. James
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loves making logos and I all one
of his books and he's so passionate about
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it and you you can read his
passion in his text about how meticulous it
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is, how everything is precise.
I have friends who can spend a year
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working on a book, not on
the content of the book but a how
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every page will be designed, and
you see, you feel it, you
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you look at something and you feel
there's a level of care here. Wow
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that this person has to me.
My Passion in creating is in talking to
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people, in figuring out what their
problem is, what their needs are,
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and how I can use creative ways
of solving their problem. Maybe there is
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the solution will be a graphic design
solution. Maybe the solution won't be a
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graphic design solution and I'll need to
resort to other creatives that are more skillful
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than I am. So that's also
a creative process of being like, why
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do I have available right now for
me? My resource says yeah, and
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with taking it to podcasting, people, Hey, editing. Some people are
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genius, isn't at editing. So
people life like doing the interview, some
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people hate doing interviews. That's also
things for people just like having monolog podcast
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they which they talk to themselves,
which I think it's great. Yeah,
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yeah, I like can I have
a friend always it will. One thing
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I want to just podcast. He
describe chokes. You know. One thing
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I want to jump in here real
quick, and and I think it's really
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important that we kind of highlight this
a little bit, is our society has
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really taught us to go through school, and I you know in the states
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anyway, it's go through K,
through twelve and then but by time you
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get to like halfway through, like
in sixth grade or seventh grade. You
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gotta like really figure out what it
is you want to do for the rest
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of your life. Is like a
twelve year old or thirteen or fourteen year
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old. You're like you're like what
am I do? You know, I
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remember thinking this Mi in like seventh
grade. They're like what do you want
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to do for college? My Dude, I literally just figured out how do
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I my own ass, like I
literally did like I'm probably just now getting
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good at that. So I don't
know what I want to do for the
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rest of my life. Like this
is insane. And so, you know,
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I think so many times we put
that pressure on and we have these
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career you know, this career minded
like you know society that goes like you're
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gonna be you got to be this
and you got to be it for the
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rest of your life. I've been
a lot of things in my S.
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I've been a lot of things in
my s and one thing that I've not
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been in is a career anything.
Like I've been a career like creative.
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I've stayed in the creative feel for
the most part my whole entire life,
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but I've done different things. I
own a T shirt business, I've owned
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media stuff. I've done, you
know, podcasting and websites and done a
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little graphic design and all this kind
of stuff, and I've stayed in that
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lane of creativity. But I was
never really sold on like I'm going to
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go do one thing for thirty years
because, much like what you said,
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I feel like I am a multi
person, multiiphen creator, and sometimes it
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takes experimenting to figure out how something
works. You know, it's like people
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who develop product take a long time
to develop that product, to figure out
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how stuff goes together and works and
communicates and to launch it to the market.
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But yet we're supposed to figure it
out and, you know, three
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to four years after after our main
school and and then like okay, now
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you got to go do this for
the rest of your life. I'm like
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that's so unfair, and so I
don't think people should go to college until
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after they're like twenty five. Honestly, like, if you want to go
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to college, like go do a
bunch of crap between twenty and twenty five
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or eighteen and twenty five, and
then go to college and then figure it
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out, like because go dabble and
stuff, like go be, go work,
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for free for somebody for a couple
of years. Go Work for free
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for a graphic designer and eat crap
and live on your couch and do whatever
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and see if you like that skill, because we were wasting so much money
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and time, in my opinion,
doing stuff that we hate. So I'm
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that you. I get a little
rabbit trail there. I Apologize, like
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I don't a rant, but we
do lean too heavy on that and I'm
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glad you brought that up because that
was one of my questions for you.
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I get on my soapbox about bad
on the podcast, like I think on
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every episode. I'd say how unfair
it is to ask an eighteen year old
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what do you want to do with
the rest of your life, because,
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I mean I know eighteen year old
to have had the life experience of a
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thirty year old, a regular third
year old, because life just didn't treat
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them as well. They just got
got dealt curve. Also, they shouldn't
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have been built with and they can
do it, but thank God is not
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the majority. The majority still figuring
out what they want to do in their
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life or worse, we ask these
we ask them in your olds. Oh,
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if I kid shows that they like
legos. Are you're going to work
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in construction? Their kids? They
have a favorite dinosaur still. I still
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have a favorite dinosaur today, and
that's why I was see that be creative
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about your own life. Be Creative
all the things that you want to do.
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And I you have no idea how
many people I know that went to
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college and chose a random thing they
chose. You ask them, like they
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love themorica. The most common one
is business administration. It's like, Oh,
416
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so you want to be in business? I don't know. I had
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to study something and I chose Business
Administration because it looked pretty broad. And
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then they don't know what they want
to do after they graduate. They have
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these crisis they in the US and
a lot of Americas. So they get
420
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they exit college and an insane amount
of dead, not knowing if they even
421
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like the thing that they studied and
asking, what the hell am I going
422
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to do for the rest of my
life? Like what I have, this
423
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degree, what do I do with
it? I mean their degrees you should
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have. I mean, if you're
going to be a doctor, please go
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to medical school, like, I
don't yeah, if you're going to be
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a lawyer, I think you should
know the law. If you if you
427
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want to, I don't know,
be anything want. And also, we
428
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can change our minds. It's okay, I don't know. I don't like.
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I remember when I decided when I
when I started university, like my
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official university degree, I was twenty
six and my classmates were in their early
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to in their like eighteen, nineteen, up to twenty three maybe, and
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they were like, Oh my God, like when I'm your age, I
433
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want to be married with kids,
and I'm like, I will lend you
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my two year old nephew for a
day and then you tell me you when
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I have kids now, because they're
they're there. It's a lot and I
436
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:48.880
appreciate parents so much. It's like
that's a y'all are super people. Honestly,
437
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I don't. I can barely find
myself right now. But yeah,
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be creative about your own life.
Allow yourself to change your mind if and
439
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they're also so many things we always
look down and doing things in the side
440
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like, okay, you have to
your Nuneto five job and you don't want
441
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to fully commit to this other thing. Maybe you can't. Maybe you cannot
442
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fully commit. The weak. How
do I say this? Noy that I
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don't sign arrogant or stupid. A
lot of people in this world have responsibilities
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that keep them from plunging into a
creative career. MMM, for we always
445
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that there is this ted talk about
friend carry carry something, but if you
446
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look at it, it's like follow
your passion. That the talk is about
447
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passion and she talks about we always
say like follow your passion, follow your
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passion, and she says this example
about the person who how that idea is
449
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kind of the least and I think
it is, because then you look at
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people who clean glass, people who
sweep streets, people who work medial jobs,
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who work in the trades, and
say think they have no passion,
452
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like because that job is not passionate. Maybe their passion is keeping their family
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fed. Yeah, maybe their passion
is not being homeless. Maybe their passion
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is really their creatives at home,
but they need to keep the lights on
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our their house. Like, why
do we associate making money with being creative
456
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when you can be creative without making
money and having an eight to five that
457
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pays your bills? That is such
your concert for me. And Yeah,
458
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and I agree a hundred percent.
I think sometimes on either side of the
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fence right if you're if you're a
if you're a creator or an entrepreneur,
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and I'll just say entrepreneur, maybe
their covers. You know, people work
461
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for themselves. But you know sometimes
as an entrepreneur, if we're not careful,
462
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we can be like, oh,
I can't believe somebody works nine to
463
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five. And then sometimes if somebody
works, you know, nine to five
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job, they got the salary,
they get the benefits, they get the
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whole package, they go home to
their, you know, their two kids
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and their picket fence, and then
they look at creatives and entrepreneurs and they
467
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go, my Gosh, I can't, but how do you live that way?
468
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.400
But I always just say, like, you know, it doesn't either
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one is fine, like I don't
you know, for you. I don't
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feel like I can. Through my
entrepreneurship journey I've been both. I've been
471
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working as an entrepreneur and stuff is
just not working out in sales or not
472
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coming in in you know, when
I was in the tshirt business and doing
473
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that and I'm like cool, I'm
going to go work for somebody else,
474
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and I went and I went and
worked for a smoothie shop because I thought
475
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maybe I'd be interested in making a
smoothie shop. You know, maybe I
476
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didn't be interested in owning one.
So I went and worked at a smoothie
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shop for a while. Learned a
ton about franchises, learning ton about opening
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up stores, learn a ton about
all that stuff, and so now I'm
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just more equipped as a business owner, as an entrepreneur, as you know,
480
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business scales or whatever we want to
call it, that I have all
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these tools in my tool bag to
go cool. I think I have some
482
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ideas of how to do this.
So you know, if you're listening or
483
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you're watching, don't don't just take
for granted that nine to five job or
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the job that you're transitioning into something
else. Like figure out what it is
485
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.000
you can take from. There's a
you know, lessons learned or you know,
486
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:13.359
maybe you learn how to manage something, maybe you learn how to manage
487
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books or schedules or whatever. I
mean, I don't know how to do
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something faster, like I figured out
in that smoothie job. But like literally
489
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:24.359
got recognized for like coming up with
a strategy to sell more peanut butter than
490
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any other store in the franchise.
I'm like, cool, it's like.
491
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I don't know, but but it
got me think about sales differently. You
492
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know, I just got me thinking
different. So so don't think you know
493
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it on either side of the fence. Like it's really important that we support
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each other's people and not say,
well, I'm better than you because I
495
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don't go to work, because I
don't have to go work for somebody else,
496
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or I'm better than you because I
got a steady pay check and I
497
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don't have to, you know,
worry about I think we like just be
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happy for one another and support each
other in that, because I think our
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system in the world has just said
like, if you don't do a,
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B and C, indeed, then
your failure, and I just don't think
501
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:06.000
it's true. I think it's way
more gray area than black and white,
502
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:13.440
in my opinion, especially from a
creative perspective. So totally and how you
503
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:21.440
compire your life knowledge and your experiences
and you remix them into something new that
504
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is also creative, that is also
creative thinking that it is absorbing and learning
505
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.079
and we're all like seems, were
born, we survived because we're curious.
506
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We developed as people, as a
race, as a humanity, as a
507
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.719
society, because we were curious from
the beginning because somebody said, Huh,
508
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:45.559
what if I lick that? What
will happen? I always wanted this question,
509
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:50.239
like who just walked out into a
field and grabbed off this fruit and
510
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.280
just ate it? Like how weird
is that? Like I always think about
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the our pricemen. Way Too much
time thinking about who was that person and
512
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what were they like? You know
what? Yeah, her like who looked
513
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:06.559
at pikes feet and said I'm gonna
eat this? Probably the person that was
514
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.000
so said they're so hungry. They're
like, I gotta eat this whole thing
515
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:15.760
because I'm just starving. Yeah,
yeah, it's that. That's that's the
516
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things. Like people. We always
like say that this is the type of
517
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creativity, that this time is like
the we're right now living in the hypocreativity.
518
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:28.800
I don't think we are. I
think the Dark Ages, prey history,
519
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:31.360
like give more way more creatively for
because they had to be, because
520
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:36.440
it's like I'm either created for I
die. It's one of there the other.
521
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:42.280
We survived. The creativity and curiosity
were key parts of survival. Yeah,
522
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:46.800
exactly. And there there is there
is this guys Stewart Williams. He
523
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:51.599
works on some time. I met
him and clubhouse. Great Guy. I
524
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:52.880
wish I could go to the US
and take a course with him because it
525
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:57.679
very interesting and he has this phrase
that I always impacted me, though.
526
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We always look down and poor people
and think that they are dumb and that
527
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:07.280
they don't have the skills, but
the truth is that poor people are the
528
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:12.679
most creative and entrepreneurial people that there
is because they survive, because for them
529
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.760
being creative it is survival. Figuring
out how I'm going to make these ten
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dollars a day last to me.
How am I gonna feed my family with
531
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this that I could gather from scratch
jobs and from scratching money on the street?
532
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And they figure it out because they're
creative. It's a thing called survival.
533
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:36.360
And then some of us that strielage
about get to be creative, as
534
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:38.800
I'M gonna at least sign this fun
model, I'm gonna make this video and
535
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so on, and we're lucky and
we're blessed that we can be creative for
536
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:49.159
the sake of being creative, but
for creativity. Everybody knows that. Everybody
537
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:53.159
learns. It's about on clogging it, it's about on learning certain things,
538
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on learning that if you don't do
it for a living, it's a valid
539
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on learning that there is a good
creativity and a bad creativity, on learning
540
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:08.519
that this mental blockages of imposter syndrome, like we all like. We say
541
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:13.519
that posters imposter syndrome. It's only
for creatives. No, it's for everybody.
542
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:21.440
It's because we have the expectations of
ourselves. Like athletes can get imposter
543
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:24.760
syndrome, peep, like human people
in any job can get. I am
544
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:29.599
I really that good? Am I
getting this compliment because I actually deserve it,
545
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or did I do a good job? What's this thing that I made?
546
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:38.000
Actually good? What? And in
the case of creatives, it really
547
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:43.840
closs us. It really I don't
want to say constipate us, because that
548
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:47.679
has to do with Poop, but
I cannot think I'm another word. It
549
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:52.360
makes us creal to be constantated.
Yeah, I think you're right, you
550
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know, and it's interesting too,
because I think you know, like one,
551
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I love these, said that that
we all do with imposter syndrome,
552
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.840
even if it is the job that
doesn't seem creative, or somebody offers of
553
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:06.400
some promotion, like Oh, did
we are? Do we deserve this?
554
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Can we do the job and my
the right person. You know. I
555
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:10.800
mean I've dealt with this my whole
entire life, and but one thing I
556
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:16.079
think you said that you nailed it, is managing expectations. This is something
557
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that my wife and I talk a
lot about, is in really for ourselves,
558
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but then also a lot of people
around us, because oftentimes we are
559
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.360
kind of, you know, steered
in one direction or the other based on
560
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the things that that we think,
the false expectations that we put on others
561
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for us, if that makes any
sense. So we're like expecting that they
562
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have expectations for us to solve their
expectation. That whatever. Yeah, it's
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very Meta and this is like it's
very Meta and it keeps US trapped,
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and I know I've been in that
situation. So so is this what I
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mean? Tell me that you know
something that you've done to change your like
566
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the holding on this of expectations,
because I think this is a powerful thing
567
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if people can, and I can't
even put into words, but I think
568
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if people can break this expectations and
allowing other people's either true or false expectations
569
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of them control them, they'll go
to another level in their creativity. So
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how are you able to do that
or how do you do that on a
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daily basis? I guess, well, for me, that those gets harder
572
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because as creatives, one over the
creative things, we look at things in
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the middle because we're part of the
entire process. We are pre see it
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from conception. We expect things to
turn out a certain way. Then we
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make it halfway through. Any doesn't
look like that and we start freaking out
576
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:46.280
and it's like, why doesn't it
look better? Why is in this working?
577
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:50.960
And then we stop. Then this
is the point when we say we
578
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.159
stopped. It's like this is not
good enough, this is garbage, this
579
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:58.280
makes no sense, it's nothing how
I thought it would be. And then
580
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.519
we stopped. Be unblocked. So
when I get in those moments, I
581
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:09.559
always tell myself a surgery halfway through
is a murder. Oh Wow, all
582
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:14.320
right, certain there's a murder.
Yeah, okay, if you think about
583
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:17.119
it, it's surgery, it's opening
a human being and if you're looking,
584
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:22.960
if you just walk into it halfway
through, it's technical murder. It's at
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00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:28.639
least assault. Yeah, but then
when you make it to the end,
586
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is this amazing life saving process.
So my recommendation to people would be.
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Divide your expectations, break them down
into little ones. What is exactly,
588
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if you have this again, concept
breaking down into little things that you can
589
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:51.199
stay motivated about. Make little goals. So if you let's say you're making
590
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.760
a podcast. So let's say you're
making a podcast episode and it's going to
591
00:40:54.840 --> 00:41:00.199
be two hours, break it down
into little parts, like what are the
592
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:07.599
less it's minimum, but minimum viable
product. MMM, like the MVP for
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00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:10.719
in your making an APP, like
what is the minimal thing you need to
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00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:15.199
achieve to feel like you achieve something? And then you jump from that goal
595
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.039
to the next one and then,
Huh, I can do this, this
596
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:22.360
is tiny and easy. I did
it. Okay, I'm going to jump
597
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.440
from here to the next one.
So give yourself those little those little stairs,
598
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:29.639
like make the stairs as little as
possible so you can jump off them
599
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.199
and that will give you impose for
the next one, because maybe something you
600
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thought would take you two hours actually
took you ten minutes because probably an hour
601
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and a half you were going to
be doubting yourself. And then you're going
602
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:45.079
to go to twenty minutes of Planning
and I you have ten minutes left and
603
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:49.320
then that's a ten minutes. You're
going to do the thing. So if
604
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.400
you break it down to little achievable
goals, it would make it a lot
605
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.519
easier, because you have constantly been
achieving things. You have been like,
606
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Oh, my goal was to gather
materials and I found all this materials.
607
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:04.920
Yeah, me, and go onto
the net, but don't stop. I
608
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:09.119
think it's like I started doing cross
for like three months, like three months
609
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:13.920
ago, and what my coach comes
telling me. It's like don't stop.
610
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Whatever you do, go slower if
you have to. Put don't stop,
611
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because when you stop you start we're
thinking. You start thinking, can I
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do this? Can I do this? Can I do this? I just
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I just did my first box jump
last week, ever, and it was
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that thing that I could do it. He could see that I could do
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it. I thought that maybe I
could, but that's what I was thinking
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about it. He was I don't
think about it, just do it,
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don't think about it, and I
tripped a couple times. Then when I
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made the first one, I was
like yeah, I can do this.
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So the second one was easier and
then when he got harder, he just
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told me don't stop, just keep
jumping, keep moving there is this movie
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robots. It's I think it's a
pixar movie. They said no, it
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was one. I said no,
it's not really it's keep up with the
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Robinson's. Maybe it's about this kid
that goes to the future and the whole
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moral of the stories keep moving forward. Just keep moving forward, just keep
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making and if you get lost in
the process, just keep just make something
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simple, make something easy, and
just remind yourself because by creating new things,
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maybe it's a doodle on a post
it, that has nothing to do
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with your project, but you did
a thing and that it's going to propel
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you to the next one's going to
get you out of that loop of can
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I actually make something? Yeah,
you made a doodle on a post it,
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yes, you did. Yeah,
I love this. I love this
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process because I'm that person who my
whole life I've I've been somewhat of a
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perfectionist. If something, I'll put
it this way, something has instructions and
634
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I follow the instructions and I don't
get the result that it says that,
635
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I'm very irritated and so I've had
to like and then my wife is the
636
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other option. She's the opposite side. She is like instructions. Nobody needs
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it. Will figure it out,
and she typically does, but she might
638
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build it wrong three times and I'm
like, I don't want to build wrong
639
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three times, I want to build
it right the first time. And their
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instruction should have been the correct instructions
and they're not, and they're it.
641
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You know, and I just got
down this whole rabbit trail of like why
642
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they shouldn't be making this children's toys
of the worst, by the way.
643
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But I but I have been learning, even in my mid s now,
644
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to enjoy the process, even if
it's tough, even if it doesn't make
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sense. And we've done a lot
of crazy things and you know, you've
646
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moved, you've lived in different countries
and you know that is a process in
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itself. And when we moved to
Puerto Rico, it was like this mountain.
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And then once we moved here and
we went through the process and we
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understood. Now I learned a lot. I learned about shipping dogs and learned
650
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about, you know, flying on
the airplanes with toddler and, you know,
651
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packing a bunch of crap and for
suitcase. Like I've learned how to
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do stuff, and so I think
that is the you know, when you're
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when we're in this creative process,
no matter what it is now, where
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a kind of job or whatever.
You're right, like break this thing down,
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evenel ifant one by at a time, and in like celebrate those little
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micro wins, if you will,
and I think that is something too,
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that we struggle with as people,
is like celebrate yourself if you draw that
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little stick figure on the post and
note because you want to become an artist,
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like celebrate that thing, you know, like, I don't know,
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put it posted on the Internet and
cheer yourself on, like who knows?
661
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Like celebrate it, go have a
beer and say, whoo, look what
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I did, and it makes you
feel good. And what's you to do
663
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it again and again and again.
So and same with podcasting. I mean
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I still record episodes and do live
stream shows that are like just bombing.
665
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I just bomb them. Oh my
God, I did a terrible job,
666
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blah, blah, but I learned
from it and I move on and I
667
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keep going, and so I think
that's I love that you said that,
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like break up those little expectations,
get those little wins, celebrate yourself and
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continue to move on. So would
you say that's one of your biggest lessons
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or or to kind of bring the
show and kind of wrap it up,
671
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what would be like one of the
biggest lessons that you've learned that maybe you
672
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carry it with you and every project
that you do? What would that be?
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I think it is that things happened
and you have the skills to handle
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whatever happens. I think with creative
if we hold on, when we start
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with the concept of an idea,
with a vision, and then we become
676
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so fixated in realizing this vision that
we close ourselves to other ideas, other
677
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projects, and then when the vision
doesn't come out the way we expected,
678
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then we're like, oh, I
suck because I had an idea and I
679
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didn't realize that this is terrible.
But the thing is that in that journey
680
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of creating, whatever it is you're
creating, you're going to discover something new
681
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and you're going to learn something new
and you're going to take that lesson into
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a nest and you create. Maybe, if you're making a cake, you're
683
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going to be like, Oh,
maybe I don't have I don't have eggs.
684
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I am it's gonna suck, I
should stop making this. Yeah,
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I mean in that case please go
get the eggs, because the rest of
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you like if I there's something and
I don't know much about baking, doesn't
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one thing. I know it's I
you need to keep the ingredients right,
688
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but maybe you'll discover. Okay,
I made this cake, I'm going to
689
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decorate it. Oh, maybe I
never saw that I could decorate with fruits
690
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and I have heard in the fridge, so I just like pull froad and
691
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not just make bun at of bread
or I don't know what. Basically,
692
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what I'm saying it's like be open
to the process and allow yourself to keep
693
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your vision. Like, hold your
vision, but don't hold it too tightly,
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because then you're limiting your own creative
journey. If you decide, I
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am only going to paint with three
colors, so like with blue, yellow
696
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and red, which are the basic
colors, and sound. I'm only gonna
697
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paint with these three. Yeah,
but at some point, willingly are willingly,
698
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they're going to mix and you're going
to have oranges and you can have
699
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brains, you're gonna have purpose and
you're going to have you started with three.
700
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Your plan was to have just three, but then maybe by accident they
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mixed up and suddenly you have all
these colors that you never could imagine your
702
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pace would have and now they fit. Somehow they naturally fit. And that
703
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applies to business, like maybe you
had this idea of a concept, but
704
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then turns out your market was something
different or a variation of it that you
705
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never thought you would be in,
but then suddenly, surprised you are.
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And that applies to so many things. And I just be open for things
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to happen and for you to give
a creative response and you're going to find
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things that you never thought possible and
maybe the exact thing you want happens amazing,
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maybe different thing happens great. Maybe
you fail, then you learn something
710
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great. You know what, you
fail that and you will probably not make
711
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a mistake again and hopefully will not
be a million dollar mistake. I really,
712
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from the bottom my heart, to
help nobody makes a million dollar mistake,
713
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because that's hurt but yeah, just
be open the accepting of things and
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answer creatively to them. Yeah,
I love it. I love have some
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grace, have some mercy on yourself, be willing to pivot. I love
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that because I think that is such
a part. If anybody's is do this,
717
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this and that as a creator,
as a business owner, entrepreneur,
718
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or probably even in your day job. It's like, I mean, there's
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a chance it's just not going to
happen that way. So be open and
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be willing to pivot. Alex,
I love it. Is there anything that
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I didn't always ask this question?
Is there anything I didn't talk about that
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you wanted to cover or set you
up for? I know I this was
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great. I love just having a
conversation with another creator. I didn't feel
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pressured to bring a list of questions, so it's always a fun time w
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when we get to chat. I
just want to make sure I give you
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another opportunity if I forgot some of
you wanted to share. Now. I
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think we covered everything. I think
let me leave meet me on second yeah,
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I think he covered everything. It's
just like, be grateful with yourself.
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Chill, just I mean, most
things have a solution. There are
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very few problems in this life that
absolutely don't have a solution. That you're
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a creative. There are very few
things. and honestly, like I have
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a podcast, like you said,
I haven't posted an episode every weeks because,
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honestly, I got base creating other
things. I could have been like
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done, I'm quitting. I didn't
Keep Up Week Twenty Sive, like twenty
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seven episodes went perfectly out. Then
I missed this one. I need to
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be grateful with myself and I still
love editing episodes and making the podcast and
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having interviews is to really fun to
me, so I'll continue to do it,
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like if it's my side thing,
if it's my side holes, someone
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to be fun. It's a creative
athlete. It's meant to be fun.
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Keep it fun, keeping it light, any little dabble of joy that you
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can find somewhere, take it and
it love. There's a topic that you're
742
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not super interested in, find something
to hold on to your life. If
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if you have a boring lecture or
something that you don't like to find the
744
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:23.800
one thing that you can hold onto, that can hold your attention and that
745
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will prop tell you into other steps. Always look for those Leto leaf frogs
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for that. It's like we're all
just trying to find the next step,
747
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:37.199
and the next step might not be
what you expected, but there is the
748
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next step somewhere. To have to
be a little bit creative to find it.
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Love it as that is such great
advice. Just move the needle find
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your next step. On hundre,
really appreciate you jumping on with me and
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00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:51.519
I'm definitely going to have you back
on the show again. I know you
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00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:53.960
sent me a fun list of topics
that we could have talked about, so
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definitely have you on. But thank
you so much for being on here and
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I got all the ways that people
can get in touch with you. Something
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00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:04.559
to leave it in the show notes
and the show description. So really appreciate
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you being on perfectly. Thank you
so much for having me. This is
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really fun. Anytime. Absolutely.
Thank you so much. And that is
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my friend only hundred, amazing podcast
or amazing graphic designer, creative thinker.
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00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:21.599
You can tell she's not stuck in
a box and so hopefully that you're inspired,
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00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:24.000
you're encouraged. Maybe a little entertaining
as we were working through some techn
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difficulties, but that's part of it. I didn't just hit the Stop Button,
762
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I didn't just say well, I'll
forget it, we'll just do some
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other time. I just went through
the process and figure that out, as
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she was talking about and telling us
how to do that. So be sure
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to check out her podcast. It
is called do I need school to be
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dot dot dot. So go look
that up and where she's having some amazing
767
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.079
interviews with people talking about do I
need to do? I need to go
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to school to do these kinds of
things, and it sounds like that her
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and I really drive and think mentally
about the school system kind of the same
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way. So Anyway, join US
tomorrow, two PM Eastern time and be
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here with my friend Katie Brinkley talking
about dominating with audio. She's been in
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radio, she has a podcast,
she does social audio and she is dominating
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00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:15.119
on these platforms and growing her business
and growing her audience. And so join
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me tomorrow at two PM as and
bring her on to talk about it.
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And I do want to say,
and I didn't want to interrupt the conversation
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too much during the live stream,
I want to say hi to my friend
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Michael still over in Sweden, to
John over there on looks like Linkedin as
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well, and then, as always, my good friend knee over here in
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clubhouse and Joe and drew and John's
here for joining me. Really appreciate you
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all and we will see you tomorrow
at two PM once again be talking with
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Katie Brinkley about how you dominate with
audio
