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Now here's something we hope you really
like. You're listening to creating daily.
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There's something wrong with you. You
know that because you and I are like
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a mullets. It is the is
the business, so he's the front part
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of the haircut and then I'm the
party in the back. I think they're
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hilarious. Speaks to me. It's
like he's saying what I'm thinking. What
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is going on everyone? I hope
you are having an amazing Friday. I'm
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having a lot of fun over here
creating daily. I'm your host, Billy
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Thorpe. In this is our twenty
seventh episode, I believe. I don't
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even care, I don't even count. We're here Monday through Friday, two
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PM Eastern Times. If this is
your first time checking us out, thanks
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a lot for joining us. If
you've been here before, thanks for coming
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back. Got A great show lined
up for you today. I got a
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new friend to drop to new podcast
that I'm really excited to listen to a
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little bit of it. But before
I get too far into the show and
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a welcome my Friday cohost, the
man the mid the legend, the digital
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sells expert, the amazing entrepreneur,
podcast host man, I screwed that part
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up. Anyway, it's in meadows. Ladies and Gentlemen, what's up?
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Said? How's it going, man, really, what's happening to did great
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to be here with you. What
did what did I do to deserve that
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level of an introduction? What are
you setting me up for now? I'm
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just excited, man, I said, a lot of coffee today. It's
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Friday. No, it's Friday A. I'm all excited. It's it's going
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to be a good show. So
I'm pretty excited. What do you been
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up to this week? Man,
I haven't talked to you. Every time
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I do talk to you, it's
just your busy, busy, busy.
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So what you've been up to?
It's been a busy week, man.
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Had A lot of stuff going on, a lot of things I'm working on
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internally in my business to set us
up for even more success moving into the
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summer. So really excited about some
of the things I'm working on. So
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it's going to be fun, man, or to come awesome, man,
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while I was checking some sound levels
there, while you're talking, I can
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keep talking. I mean I can
like make a monolog here. I mean,
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you tell me, give me get
to my get out run with it.
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I know you will. Your pro
man, your pro it's why I
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have you on here every Friday.
Cool Man. Well, I'm glad it's
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been a good week. I've had
a good week around here as well,
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really productive finish up our first month
of creating daily so congratulations. Yeah,
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man, it was cool. It's
you know, some people go, dude,
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that's a ton of work, but
I actually think it's the opposite.
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I think it's less work because I
don't really have, you know, days
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in between two. If you know, if I was doing a weekly show,
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I'd have like, you know,
three to five, six days to
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mole over ideas and be like,
okay, maybe I'll do that, maybe
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I won't, maybe I'll have imposter
syndrome. But with a daily show,
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it's like Hey, join me tomorrow
to BEMC. Then now it's like I'm
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on, like, no matter what, I'm coming on doing M's. I
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got to figure it out. All
Right, Civili, I'm curious what's been
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like. Your top three takeaways from
doing a daily show? My top three
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takeaways is not as hard as everyone
says it is. In the people who
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say it is I probably never done
it that's what I've noticed, because I
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always asked where, Oh, have
you done a daily show? I know,
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I'm like, why do you know? It's hard? Um, so
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I think that is I think that's
one of my takeaways. It is not
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as hard as it seems in you
know, like you do all kinds of
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stuff for an hour or two hours
a day. So it's like you can
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easily if you want to do it, if it's your you know whatever,
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you can do it. So that
would be one. And then I wish
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I would have been doing a lot
more interviews, because I really like we're
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having a lot more conversations, because
I'm not really like Oprah over here.
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I'm not interviewing anyone, I'm just
having a conversation or trying to. So
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I think that was a couple things. Like, man, I wish I've
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done that sooner, because it is
to your point. I know you've said
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this before. You have a lot
more fun with someone else on the other
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side of the mine. Yeah,
and I do like running solo shows,
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but I also enjoy, have enjoyed, the getting to know people and Networking
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and all that. So it's been
really, really fun. Yeah, I
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would say that energetically as you think
about how you show up, whether it's
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on a podcast or a live stream
or whatever you doing. There's more energy
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when there's more than one person there. You can feed off of each other's
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energy, kind of like we do. You bring me down, you bring
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my actually, you bring you bring
me down, you bring me all the
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way down. Said like I'm I'm
like drinking more coffee before these episodes because
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you're so boring. Okay, I
can solve that, billy. It's been
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great to be here with you today, cads. Well, my time out,
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I'm piecing out. Oh Man,
that's so funny. Well, dude,
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I as always on Fridays, we
got some segments that we take care
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of before we jump into our conversation. But I do have a takeaway,
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or take this segment, from the
previous four episodes this week. So I'm
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going to go ahead and sway that
scalable right, so you can literally sell
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as many seats as you want to
this sponsorship or to this membership program.
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It's unlimited. A lot of people
don't realize really how much significance they have
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and how you can take your business
to a whole new audience when you know
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how to use hashtags. The right
way to beauty of our platform is it
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gets experts that power to go live
at any moment. Right they're just bored,
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they go live and see if their
audience wants a change. Is Very
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easy just to have an audience,
but I think it becomes a community when
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you go that step there and you
stop being reciprocal and you're building a place
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for them to congregate. Right there
you go, says. So, if
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you take aways from the week,
I have an idea for you. I
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love that. What a Great Week
of lineup of guests you had this week.
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Really hard to choose, like which
one was my favorite, because they're
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also good. But I mean,
here's the problem with that. Take this.
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You know the problem with it is? Well, well, I'll you
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can say what you think. The
problem is, we'll see. How's it?
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Well, the problem is I'm not
included in it. Oh Yeah,
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well, as you do this,
take this is the wrap up on Friday.
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You should in flude me on the
FRY. Mean being left out of
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the I mean I'm the party in
the back. It's city clear. I'm
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the party in the back, first
of all, and I do I do
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include you said, I don't know
if you see my social media after the
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show or on Saturdays or somewhere.
I do include you, I know,
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but I'm not included on Youtube.
I mean I should be included on Youtube.
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I mean, yeah, you are
in the last tigaway every week.
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If I put them up there.
I don't know if I'm put them up
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there. I need to put them
up there. It's a good idea.
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Oh my God, I need to
put out more content. You know,
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I was thinking about Kane came on
yesterday. We talking about building a community
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and offering addational content. I'm like, Dude, I have no room to
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offer additional content. It's for two
dollars a month. I did hear that.
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For Two dollars a month. Yeah, for a lituple. Your five
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dollars a month, yea. Yeah, for five bucks a month, for
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a couple bucks in month, whatever
that looks like. So yeah, if
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you guys didn't check out those episodes, go check them out. A lot
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of a lot of great takeaways from
those shows. And Katie came on talk
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about hashtags. I share a little
bit about my membership journey over the last
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couple of weeks and it's been a
lot of fun. See Me over here
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in the chat. Says he's at
the doctor's office. He might not be
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on for too long. Well,
hopefully all that goes well. You probably
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get prostate exam or something going on. Imagine at your age, Nie.
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So good luck with all that.
And it's Friday. It's me. He's
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not gonna come back to hat and
who? WHO'S BILLY? I don't know
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why people don't like this show more
when it's a grim in the chat.
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But if you're over the CHA,
if you have any questions you want to
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say hello, feel free to do
that. If you have a question,
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but q colon question and then if
you're over here on bullhorn, they broke
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it up for us. So there's
questions and there's a chat section. So
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that actually makes it really easy for
us on this side to see what you're
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talking about. Now get a couple
more segments for you real quick. We'll
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go over to some news. I
haven't done this segment in a while.
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That's news to me creating daily all
right, said, so, starting today,
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spotify has expanded, or is expanding, video podcast to all creators in
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the US, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and the UK. Creators will
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the ability to upload their video content
to spotify, with a little caveat,
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through anchor, as easily as they
already published their current audio episode. So
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if you are a anchor user,
you can. You can do that.
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You can, you can go ahead
and upload those videos. So all right,
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I have a question about this.
So why do you think that spotify
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chose to only allow the video updates
on their using their anchor platform rather than
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the entire spotify? Why do you
think they made that decision? Because they
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want everyone to come over and play
on their field, like it's like yeah,
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Oh, you want that because it
is appealing. It is appealing,
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you know, just like just like
bullhorn. So bullhorn is a podcast player
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with video which I can go live
on there. I can't upload to their
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I don't think, unless they change
something without my going, but I can
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go live. We're live on there
now. It's a podcast player, so
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it's really cool. That's what I
was always wondering, like why are people
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not doing this? But Yeah,
man, I think spotify wants people to
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come over there and and then,
and then I guess your podcast host,
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like my podcast host, doesn't have
video. Like I don't even know if
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that's even possible, like if you
could even so it's a place you that
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I don't know. All right,
there's a question. If I use anchor
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and I do video podcasts and I
upload it on my rss feed through anchor,
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does the video go out to any
other platforms that allow for video?
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Are there any other podcast players that
allow for video? That's good question.
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I don't know. I don't watch, I don't. I consume on one
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platform. Yes, I published on
twenty. I consume on one same yea.
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So I don't know. I think
the answer is probably going to be
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no. I bet there's probably some
kind of API integrations and all this kind
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of stuff that they this is all
new territory, which is pretty interesting because
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youtube mention not too long ago,
or kind of I don't know if leaked
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it is the right word, but
shared some documentation that they should that they're
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going to look into putting podcasts on
Youtube. So I think that would be
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very interesting. And okay, so
out of curiosity, I know anchors predominally
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a free platform. Are they charging
for this service? Is this part of
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their package? Do I didn't look
into it that far, it's be honest.
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Okay, I heard it on Pod
News. I'm like, Oh,
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that's really interesting for people who use
anchor. I've always been anti anchor by
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just, you know, association with
other podcasters who tell me like hey,
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it's not a good idea. I'm
never looked in the terms of service and
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never looked at what they own versus
what I own, all that kind of
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stuff. And he says in the
in the chat, podcast should be kept
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at audio only. So if it's, if then it becomes a video cast,
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right, is that? What is
that? We call it what it
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has on, whatever you want.
I call it content. Like people lose
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their minds over this is so funny
because of my it's not a podcast because
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it's video and I'm like yeah,
but I rip the Audio, I put
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it on a podcast player, guess
what, and now becomes a podcast.
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Like maybe if you define podcast by
this style of content and now you said,
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Hey, this is this, this
is how, like these elements make
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a podcast, maybe that is the
defining moment. But it's like I'm multipurpose
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content all time. I'm like,
technically this is a live stream show,
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right, that's its or you know, that's its origin, is live stream,
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but it gets uploaded as a video
or it's automatical Appola as a video
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on to, you know, makee. So maybe it's a vodka cast and
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I rip the audio put it.
Maybe it's a like, who cares?
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I think everybody like this content,
right. It's not like is this a
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liver or not? Like it doesn't
matter. Okay, it's content. It's
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putting your message out there. So
so Nie, just for the sake of
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disagreement, I disagree you one hundred
percent, obviously, because the video.
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I'm video first. So well,
maybe you should consider audio first. By
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the way, that forehead sticking at
still make it. Hey, man,
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so this is not a forehead.
This is like a five or maybe six
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head. This has been this way
my entire life. You know the good
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thing about this, though, if
you ever see it in person, I
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could beat you death with it.
That's it is its protecting. Well,
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now that you're moving back to the
states in a few weeks, hopefully have
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that opportunity to meet one on one. We've never met, facetoface, I
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know we haven't. So there irl, as they say, however, I
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may not move back to North Carolina. I may move to Florida, and
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can learn all about it. But
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which, by the way, said
people can go to my one sheet.
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So it's the number one sheet dot
pro Billy Thorpe. Go to the live
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stream creator creating daily and there's like
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if we can put together a good
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So that's a really cool thing.
And basically one sheet, if you don't
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know what it is, it's like
a it's a one sheet. Obviously it's
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like creator bio on steroids. It's
like a beast thing. So anyhow,
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what is going on here? Ha
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Get that out of here. Hold
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think I got a figure. Never
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pro. So I was gonna do
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use mine. So I had my
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sheet pro one she got pro slashed
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the show notes so people can see
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so this new podcast, this podcast, the I think the very first episode
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drop today. Know they get a
sizzle rill. I think there was a
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trailer and a sizzle Rill, and
now they have dropped Florida Man News.
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Now this is brought to you by
Florida podcast network. You guys know who
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the producer is, producer producer Jimmy
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person on the show here. And
the host of the show is Joel,
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Joel Louns. And instead of like
telling you about the show said, I
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wanted to play just a little piece
of it because I think it I think
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he's hilarious. So here we go. Here's a little piece of Florida Man
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News. In pervy pickle poker news. A Florida man who found himself in
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a proper predicament after police peeped a
pickle and his pooper has played to indecent
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exposure. According to court records,
the forty seven year old. So there
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you go. Anyway, Raven,
last Friday we but we had this whole
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laughing segment. Oh my God,
you're doing it again. I can't even
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believe it, Dude. When I
heard the police officer peeped a pickle and
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his pooper, I'm like, that
is so good. So that wasn't the
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first seconds of the first segment of
the show. is about a lady who
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is just button naked in this dudes
pool when he came home. I mean
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just the way it's told. Phenomenal
job, Joel in, producer, Jimmy,
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this show is funny. And I've
only gotten to the second headline.
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So literally, for Man News,
the worst headlines from the sunshine state.
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And all right, I can't wait
now after hearing because I have I only
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heard a little bit of the trailer
that she put like out on out on
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instagram. So that was it,
the little clip. That's it. So
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now I'm going to have to go
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thirty seconds, Dude, and I'm
laughing. So that's gonna be awesome.
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I know I was sitting there like
that is the funniest line and I sent
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it to my wife. I'm like, honey, you got to listen to
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the show, and she like listens
to and she's like, after hearing these
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headlines, I think it may want
to move back to and move back to
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Floridas, to the North Carolina,
because it sounds so much fun. So
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well, you know, here's what
I would think about that. I might
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go listen to it. So,
producer, Jimmy, congratulations on another show
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in your network. That's pretty awesome. But we all need laughter and comedy
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in our life and I appreciate Jimmy
taking the lead there to provide a little
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bit of humor because, you know, we just get caught up in the
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rat race of life and the problems
that our businesses or challenges in our whatever,
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and it's good to be able to
have a reprieve to go be able
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to laugh at something so gosh man, is so fun. I was just
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sitting there I'm like how many ideas
I just get from listen to that one
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show? I mean, of course
I love stuff like that. I love
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just the you know, like Jay
Leno used to have this show called head
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like the segment on his show like
late night show called headlines and it was
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stuff like but it was. It
wasn't really stuff like that, but it's
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like headlines that were just written the
wrong way so when you like read them,
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they sound so super I remember that. Yeah, oh my gosh,
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dude. I mean I remember I
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up just to watch that on Monday
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just the mistakes that were meant.
You know, whatever's like. People being
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people is so funny, man.
So well, I think we should congratulate
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Joel for being able to actually say
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Yeah, we mis straight face,
dude, because I couldn't even listen
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to I mean I was literally in
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look, I'm losing it. I
don't know if I can even listen to
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the whole episode because this is so
funny the way you guys have put it
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together. So yeah, congratulations.
It's out now, so go check it
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out. Florida Man News in your
podcast player. Producer Jimmy obviously as podcast
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producer, so it's probably everywhere that
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out. Super Cool. Super Cool
to celebrate other people dropping cool, fun,
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creative collaborations. I mean, obviously
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talking about today. So soon let's
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Man. What is is a collaboration? Some people might not know what that
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word means, but in case it's. It's a really great question. So
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a collaboration is exactly this. It's
when one or more people, are two
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or more people, come together to
collaborate or to engage together to do something.
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So we are collapse. So it's
when somebody starts a daily show the
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other person just begs them for four
days every single week to be on the
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Friday show. That's personal. I've
got to get them mute power on this,
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because that's a straight up lie.
This is me clear. The person
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was begging. You were bagging me, like please, I need to get
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you in. You got to have
a weekly segment in my show and I
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finally came and said, okay,
do it on Fridays. I know,
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man, it has nothing to do
with the thousand dollars an episode I pay
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you. I know, it's all
right. I'm just kidding. By the
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lab I don't I wish thank you. Pay Me a dollar or no?
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I wish I got paid a dollar
in episode. If I got paid a
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dollar in episode, that would be
awesome. So so, just a word
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of advice to any creator out there
that billy approaches. Run, don't walk,
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runaway, wow, runaway, wow, wow. I don't even have
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a sound effect for that one.
Wait a minute, do my sound effects
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play? No, they don't.
Shoot. No, they do. You're
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on your road caster. It's all
right, you can hit what are you
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sure they play? I'M gonna give
you permission to hit one. Hang on,
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hang on here, let's see.
We got to get to the right
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channel. Okay, can you hear
this me? I need to know,
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if you're watching on Youtube, if
you can hear this. Yeah, we
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can hear it, because that's like
my favorite sound. You know what my
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favorite sound is online? That's the
sound of someone pink, let's say,
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up. I mean, why did
you record the audio? I didn't,
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and it's like I don't want to
hear that. It came off an epidemic
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sound and it was for an intro
to a podcast where a couple buddies and
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I, we like get together collaborating
on a Friday night and just kind of
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have a couple drinks and sit underneath
this car port and talk in every time
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for the intro the episode. I'd
play then, but gold on, guys,
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I'm not ready or whatever. So
Anyway, oh my gosh, all
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this. Back on track to collaborations. All right, it's really when people
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come together to work on a project
or maybe start of work on something that
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generates reven isn't always have to generate
revenue, but it's when two people come
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together to collaborate on an idea.
Maybe it's to build out a book or
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a document. People collaborate on books
all the time. People collaborate on website
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designs. We're collaborating and doing a
live stream. People collaborate on podcast.
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So there's a lot of different ways
I think collaboration is used and it can
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be a really, really good thing. It can. Yeah, I can't.
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So let's jump into some pros.
Man. So I wrote down some
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pros that I think about right when
I think about a collaboration, and the
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first thing I always think about is
I'm kind of Lazy. So if if
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I can collaborate on a project,
well, I think we can get we're
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more efficient. I wouldn't say I'm
lazy. I just want to be the
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most efficient possible. So if I'm
splitting the workload or really, you know,
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I instead of leaning heavily on me
to manage everything, like this show
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for instance, like I'm managing everything
from production to all, you know,
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everything, promotion, marketing, all
the stuff. But if I'm cohosting a
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show, which I cohost a fishing
show every week, then my cohost and
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I kind of figured out what our
strengths were and we both like double down
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on those strengths. And so now
it's like, essentially I'm doing half of
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the amount of work and I'm having
way more fun. I got more time
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with family, friends, all that
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you know, at face value.
Like that's one of the fun things,
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is the collaboration process for me is
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much workload on to myself and then
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it's a way more fun, you
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I love having a cohost on the
show. I love having Katie on Tuesday's
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you on Fridays. It just makes
life a lot more fun. So that's
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kind of one of my front things. What about you? So there's a
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con to that very thing though.
So those of you that have gone to
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college, and if you've gone to
college, you probably got put into a
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group exercise or group project they had
to work on as a group. Sorry
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for everyone I went to college with
because I was this guy and there's one
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or two people in the group that
don't do the group project. Yeah,
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yeah, and the weight gets carried
by the other people that want a good
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grete. In some cases it can
be one person that carries the wait because
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nobody else is participating in we got
one person wants to make sure they get
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that a and everybody else has comes
along for the ride, and so there
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can be a con to that as
well. But I do agree that distribution
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of workload is a really good thing
as relates to sharing the responsibilities when you
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are doing a collaboration. Yeah,
I think. Yeah, I think that
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is a pretty good in both of
those and I think it will jump into
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kind of qualifying people and sure you
know kind of how you do that,
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how I've done that in the past
as well. Another thing that I think
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is really good for collaboration specially,
and I'm talking more from the podcast for
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perspective, it maybe even live streaming
perspective as well. Is like the reach,
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the extended network, the reach,
you know, it's to people,
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promoting something to people, you know, kind of going after the same thing
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as far as like growth of the
business or growth of the show or whatever.
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good, you know, pro as
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well. It's like, Hey,
want to get US double the amount of
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promotion going on out the gate.
I agree with that. And the more
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reached you can get whatever you're doing, whether it's a podcast or a live
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stream, whatever you're doing. That
increases your reach but also then leads to
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in more impact or more engagement,
is also really good. But you know,
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I'll throw another thing in here,
billy, that I think is a
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really good pro of a collaboration is
your ability to do something new that maybe
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you haven't done before, for and
you come together with somebody that has done
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something before, and so you're you're
learning about it, but yet you're doing
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it together. So I think that's
another real benefit. But another, I
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think, even at tagging onto that, another benefit would be two together doing
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something brand name. Yeah, maybe
you both had the idea, well,
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I wanted to do this and you
wanted to do that and there was a
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maybe your version was a and his
version was be and you came together and
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you got two version C obviously you
had a real, really cool product.
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think, new products, new ideas,
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new programs and new services, things
like that. Yeah, man, more
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brains are better than one brain,
or more or how are they said?
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I don't know what the old saying
is, but yeah, I will be
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a hundred percent, and that's why
you're on the show. Like said,
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doesn't how to go live. He
met me, we were collaborating, so
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now I can. That is a
lie. Dude, I get a little
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last night. I gotta, I
gotta get a little metal lie counter for
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he me done. We should on
one screen will have that's a lie counter
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and then the other scream will have
old jokes, old jokes. Yeah,
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okay, that's first between you and
me. I'm screwed when it comes to
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old jokes being dropped on the live
stream. Today I had another really good
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pro and you made us it because
if a lie, because of the lie
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the lie guy, so in another
so I love that pro because it is
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like, Hey, bring your experience
to my experience and then let's you know,
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get it more profound on this idea. And then, you know,
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that was in my situation with my
second fishing podcasts. That was a situation
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there, like the guy on partner
with now, he has all these captain
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relationships, all these relationships in the
fishing community, has been doing fishing reports
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for like twenty years and we were
able to use those relationships to produce content
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and to bring those people on the
show, help them promote their business and
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then also help us promote our show
and build the content for our show.
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And then, on the flip side, he's not a tech guy. His
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fishing reports aren't delivered on a media
platform. They're delivered, you know,
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an older medium. But we were
able to take my skill set of,
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you know, all this techy stuff
I do and really bring those two worlds
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together and launch a podcast and now
a membership, which both are revenue generating
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projects for us, and we're both
like hey, man, this is great,
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like this a great relationship that we
have and a great collaboration. So
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that's you know, that's a something
to really think about, even if you're
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like way different in age and people
and all that stuff, because my coast
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and are different in age. Probably
think differently about most things in life,
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but we're able to meet on that
Middle Road and collaborate and go go in
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the same direction. So it's pretty
good. Well, I love how you
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highlighted skill set, like you're techy, you get it. He's not,
416
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but he's got content and you come
together and you produce something really great and
417
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really effective and it's growing and growing
and making money and growing. And so
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that the there are a lot of
opportunities for people to come together with different
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strengths and different weaknesses to pull off
something very effective. Yeah, absolutely,
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Man. So when we when we're
setting up of a collaboration, I know
421
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you and I we've actually done this. We've actually set up a collaboration for
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a business to kind of test the
market, go out do a lot of
423
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research around a certain market to see
if it would work in oftentimes made a
424
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mistake that I've made in the past, and I'll go kind of my first
425
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podcast, my first fishing show,
is I just went full steam at it,
426
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full steam, as fast as I
could, as hard as I could.
427
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I didn't think about the details.
I didn't think about agreements or any
428
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of that stuff. And you know, I think my if my cohost then
429
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and I both sat down in the
same room and had a really honest conversation.
430
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We probably be like man, we
both got worked over it in a
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certain sense. So how do we? How do we set up a really
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successful or how have you seen it? And maybe I'll share like how I've
433
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done it as well. But how
have you set up a really successful collaboration
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where it's you know, we're are
some key components to that. So I
435
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think to me, what the single
most important component to a collaboration? There's
436
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two of them, open and effective
communication and trust, and without those two
437
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things I don't think it could move
forward very well. Right, you got
438
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to be able to talk about things, you got to be able to hash
439
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out the details of the collabor ration, the financial aspects of it, the
440
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responsibilities, and if you can't have
that discussion like grown, mature adults,
441
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then what the heck are you doing
in a collaboration? So I think even
442
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that process, billy, will highlight
whether or not it's going to be successful
443
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or not. Right. Yeah,
yeah, man, if I could go
444
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back and look at some of the
pre conversations to a collaboration, there's a
445
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couple I would have dipped out on
before they ever happened, because I just
446
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.720
knew, I knew in my gut, and that's another thing is like kind
447
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of follow your gut in this process, because you might just go like this
448
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:07.079
feels like I'm taking a shower with
my socks on. Is feels weird,
449
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.880
and I think if I would have
paid more attention to that feeling versus the
450
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.920
carrot in the sky, I would
have been way better off, and so
451
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would the person I was collaborating with
them. And I haven't had a lot
452
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of collaborations burned, but there's been
a couple that I went down, you
453
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:25.200
know, went south pretty quick,
and I do think that is the key
454
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to the collaboration I'm in now,
and I'm in several collaborations, by the
455
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:32.119
way. I'm not just in one
collaboration, I'm in several. I get
456
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I get a partner on my Mazon
live business, have a partner in my
457
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fishing podcast, I'm collaborating with a
couple of cohost on this show and all
458
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those are producing different results for different
people. But I had those upfront honest
459
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:48.240
conversations of like hey, this is
what what we're you know, this is
460
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the direction that we got to go
or I want to go and you want
461
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to go, and what do you
want out of this and all that,
462
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but it is tough and you will
get into those moments and go, like
463
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I know, even with the collaboration
I have now, we still have those
464
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moments. Probably you know it was
like, Hey, did we just got
465
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to have a business conversation, all
emotions off the table. Here's a problem,
466
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we need to solve it. How
we're going to move forward, how
467
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we going to break this thing up
and but what we do is the hard
468
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.079
stuff up front and it's easier as
it continues to go because we have all
469
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these expectations listed out. Now.
Are you like a big contract guy?
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Are you going to your lawyer and
flying people in and signing papers? Are
471
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you write in the email kind of
getting it started and then laws? There's
472
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a couple of things I will say
to that, but first I want to
473
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go back real quick to the the
last topic, which is I was talking
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about doing a collaboration with a lady
that I've known for many, many years.
475
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We work together years ago. We
both have our own businesses, we
476
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both have for many years worked in
the same industry and we wanted to collaborate
477
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like we wanted to. And then
the more we talked about it, the
478
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more we had zoom calls or phone
calls about it. What we realize,
479
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as we kept getting closer and closer
to understanding it, is her goals were
480
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:08.119
different than michaels and what she wanted
to do and create with her business was
481
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different than what I wanted to do
in create with mine. We realize this
482
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:17.680
not a good fit, this is
not going to work, and so we
483
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parted ways in the collaboration. We
decided, hey, this is not going
484
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to work, we don't need to
do it, so let's go on.
485
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.960
It was maintain our friendship and our
relationship we've had for twenty years and not
486
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do this type of relate, this
type of libration. So that part,
487
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:34.799
that discovery, that open conversation,
I think, and honest conversation the beginning
488
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:38.240
is what leads to those type of
results. Yeah, now you back and
489
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answer your question about the contracts and
all that. Here's my thought about this.
490
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If you have to get an attorney
involved for legal documents and all this,
491
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therefore, who, as state of
this does Blah Blah, you're creating
492
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a business, not a collaboration.
Okay, Gotcha. All right, creating
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a business makes sense. So would
you say a collaboration is like, Hey,
494
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said, I'm working on this,
the stuff. I got my own
495
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:13.440
business. You're working on this.
You got your own business, but our
496
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:19.640
world's kind of collide here. Let's
let's work together and kind of build something
497
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.160
that. Now, sure, is
that kind of how you would view a
498
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collaboration versus a business? It is, but if it turned into something that
499
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became a business, then I would
say we need more legal documents. I
500
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:36.200
think you need a document, I
think you need a plan, I think
501
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.319
you need an outline of what you're
going to do, how you're going to
502
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:43.160
do it, who's responsibilities? Let's
take a podcast, right. We've talked
503
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:47.440
many times about doing a podcast together. You keep chickening out because you're scared
504
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:52.799
of another podcast. Understand all those
reasons why you just couldn't go daily because
505
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:59.079
you're weak. But though, but
you know, we've talked about it.
506
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:02.720
We sure, and we could do
a one page document that just out outlined
507
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:07.200
what our collaboration look like. Who's
responsible for what? WHO's finding guess?
508
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:09.599
Who's doing this, who's doing that? If it got to a place of
509
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:15.160
that podcast was monetized and bringing in
revenue. We need to take that document
510
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:19.480
to another level. Right. If
we decided we wanted to take that podcast
511
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:22.880
and create another business out of it
or bring it into a business of some
512
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sort, then we need to go
to an attorney. So my I guess
513
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:30.920
my point with all that is use
your best judgment as where you are in
514
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:36.880
the steps of your collaboration, as
to how legal you need to make this
515
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.720
or how formal that you need to
make this collaboration. That makes sense,
516
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:43.119
Bill? Yeah, no, I
love it and I think it brings another
517
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.720
point to mind. Like in this
depends on your partnership to like it,
518
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.400
I know, like you, and
I said to keep us as the example,
519
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:54.039
I'm a running gun, jump out
of someone else's plane, light my
520
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:57.920
parachute up and trying to build my
own plane on the way down and hope
521
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.920
it all works out. You are
let's build the plane, test the plane,
522
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:04.240
build a plane, test to plane. You know. I mean maybe
523
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.759
you're not to that extent. Oh, I will own that. I will
524
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.559
run so so like maybe a little
bit of more of a perfectionists to where
525
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.360
I'm just like hey, let's throw
the mud on the wall. If it's
526
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.800
sticks, will keep throwing the same
mund. Okay, time out, Tome
527
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:22.000
out. So pre show here you're
like lining up the boxes to make sure
528
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.679
that they're both the same height and
the same size. Because it was good.
529
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:30.599
I started the show in three hours. Okay, my thos people take
530
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.840
three. I know people who have
been one of started podcasts for three years.
531
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:37.480
I started this getting an e three. Not Call yourself a perfectionist because
532
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:40.519
you have those tendencies to be a
perfectionist. Not on the launch, man,
533
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:45.039
rough I was. It was rough, it was, it was,
534
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.480
it was muddy. Sure, still
is, but I agree. We are
535
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:52.480
polar opposites. Right, I need
to plan more, which I hey,
536
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:54.880
I'm gonna fully met. That slows
me down and launching things, and then
537
00:34:54.920 --> 00:35:00.000
you just like won't let's do it. However, oftentimes you, you know,
538
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:04.159
strategize, maybe you can see some
bumps in the road that I just
539
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.920
hit them and it wrecks me for
a minute, versus like Oh, I
540
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:09.159
know how to get over this bump
because I kind of pre saw it,
541
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:12.800
and the pre planning stay just where. I'm like, Oh God, there's
542
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.920
this bump, like what happened in
front of my car. But I do
543
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:21.559
think that you know this is something
to consider, like personality types and how
544
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:23.480
do you work with people, and
maybe you do a tester or project.
545
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:29.000
So instead of just going hey,
let's full on do this podcast, you
546
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.480
know, because I wanted to start
a podcast network or a radio show when
547
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:36.440
I was doing this, you know, before I started creating daily and I
548
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.760
went through all the motions of talking
to people and bringing creators into my circle
549
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:42.920
and said, hey, here's what
I want to do, and then I
550
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:46.159
quickly realize like, Oh, this
is a billy project, this isn't a
551
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:51.719
community project. I'm the one who's
most passionate about it and I can bring
552
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:55.039
other creators on along the journey as
guests or, you know, our cohost
553
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:59.960
or whatever. But it was going
through that, that process of having those
554
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.599
conversations and and saying, Hey,
what do you think about this? And
555
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:05.639
and it's good. I love what
you said about you and your friend.
556
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.639
It's like get in the middle of
it. I don't care if you spent
557
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.199
ten hours hashing out what this could
look like and then you get to the
558
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:13.800
end of ten hours and go,
you know what, I like you better
559
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:15.320
as a friend that I do like, because I'm going to kill you if
560
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:21.239
we do you know? You'll know. You'll kind of know early on if
561
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.320
you pay attention and be, you
know, super honest with yourself and and
562
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:27.840
don't be afraid to hurt feelings.
I think that's a big right. So
563
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.360
you just said something I think is
really important. Is You got to pay
564
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:35.440
attention and you got to listen to
your gut, because I've been in collaborations
565
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:44.639
that I thought were successful, that
I thought were working, but they weren't
566
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.280
really working, and so I had
a little bit of a blinder on,
567
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:52.760
but my God was telling me,
Hey, this is some don't feel right
568
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.000
about this. I've been feel right
about this and so you know it.
569
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.360
I should have listened, because I
stayed in the collaboration a lot longer than
570
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.800
I needed to. I got screwed
out of some money. That's happened to
571
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:07.960
you before. That person still owes
me a quite a bit of money.
572
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:12.199
That will never I'll never see that
money. But I should have listened to
573
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.760
myself and I should have paid attention
to what I saw, the signs of
574
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:20.000
it going south, and I should
have ended it and I should have ended
575
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.880
it the right way rather than letting
it in the wrong way. Yeah,
576
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:24.719
so you got to listen to your
gut. You got to pay attention to
577
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:27.920
the signs are in front of you
too. Yeah, man, I think
578
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.960
that's good and it's part for the
course. When you do and collaborations like,
579
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.360
Oh yeah, the thing. It's
kind of like saying, Hey,
580
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:36.800
I'm gonna you know, once your
parents, if you're younger, list if
581
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:38.159
you're listening to you're younger and your
parents allow you to day, you're going
582
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:42.159
to get heartbroken a few times.
It just going to happen. Just part
583
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.960
of you know, just like it's
just going to happen in so same thing
584
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:51.639
in business. Ending collaborations like nothing. I don't care what university you go
585
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:52.639
to or what they tell you how
life is going to happen. It just
586
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:57.480
doesn't happen that way. And so
you got to be prepared and willing to
587
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:00.800
say, all right, I'm willing
to risk this relationship, and I think
588
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:05.360
that's the biggest thing that I've learned. You know, throughout this process I'm
589
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.000
like, am I really willing,
at the end of the day, to
590
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:12.440
not be this person's friend because of
this project? And that sounds terrible and
591
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:15.360
it's not like that under value the
friendship or not, but it's literally like
592
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:21.400
Hey, man, is this idea
so great that if it goes south that
593
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:23.480
and we get pissy with each other
and never talk to each other, then
594
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:27.840
it's okay, and you got to
be okay with that, however, solutely,
595
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:29.960
I think, if you set it
up the right way, have those
596
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.840
really super open, honest conversations and
really the expectations, man, and I
597
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.199
think this is where I messed up
in my first you know, fishing podcast
598
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.920
was we went after it, man, we're doing a live show just like
599
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:45.159
this every Monday night, seven pm
or Tuesday or whatever it was, and
600
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:49.239
we were rocking and we're having fun
and it was great. And then I
601
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:53.840
just had expectations of doing a business. My friend had expectations of just growing
602
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:59.079
his already existing business in that fishing
space, and we just didn't see eye
603
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.079
to eye. And then also,
I mean in full transparency, like I
604
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:05.599
think you have to be transparent with
yourself. Is Like I had some you
605
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:07.679
know, other goals in mind for
businesses that I wanted to be a part
606
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.920
of and some other stuff that I
was working on, and so just made
607
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:14.960
the most sense for me to go
hey, I'm out, you buy my
608
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:16.880
portion, either I buy the show
or you buy the show and let's just
609
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:20.519
goard different ways, like there's no
sense. And Yeah, you know,
610
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:22.440
and unfortunately that guy and I are
not really friends. I mean, if
611
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.719
we saw each other out, we'd
preshake hands and you know whatever, chat
612
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:29.280
and all that. Yeah, we'd
be cordial, but it wouldn't be like
613
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:30.639
hey, dude, let's go hang
out, let's get the families together,
614
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:35.239
you know, because it was messy
and it's unfortunate. So it happened,
615
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:37.000
but this is this is the good, bad and ugly of collaboration. So
616
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:40.400
we're put it all out here.
Well, and in that point it exists.
617
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:45.079
The good, the bad and the
ugly duck do exist in a collaboration
618
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:50.159
and to me it's I think a
little bit about like playing in the stock
619
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:57.400
market or buying crypto or in FT's
whatever it is. You don't invest more
620
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:00.280
than you're willing to lose. So
you go into it. I if you're
621
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.440
in the Stock Martin, you say
stock market and you say, okay,
622
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:07.079
I'm going to put tenzero into the
market, and that means to me you're
623
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.000
willing to lose tenzero based on the
flexibility of the market. Right, yeah,
624
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:14.400
so what you're just saying billity is
you go into this collaboration, you
625
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:17.280
know potentially, worst cases, you're
going to lose this friendship. Is that
626
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:22.679
collaboration potentially worth losing that friendship?
And I think it's it's great to have
627
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:29.320
those conversations with yourself just so that
you have it and that you know what
628
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:34.159
potentially is at risk. Yeah.
So so when you're putting this agreement together,
629
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.719
man, what are some things that
you're putting on them? What some
630
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.079
of the thing I wish I'd brought
because you and I have one I wish
631
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:44.719
I'd brought it up. I didn't. But what are some some key things
632
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.119
that you're like, just don't leave
these things out. Make sure they're in
633
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:52.960
there. Makes you talk about them. So I would say roles of responsibilities,
634
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.760
the financial aspect. How are you
going to share if there's money involved,
635
00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.400
how do you share the money?
How the money gets collected? Those
636
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:02.199
kinds of things. Like, if
you're, you know, going to do
637
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:07.280
things like expenses, how do the
expenses get covered? Who covers them?
638
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:08.920
You know, how do you cover
them jointly? Those kinds of things,
639
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:15.320
and I do think it's important to
at a minimum, outline what it looks
640
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:21.360
like. Should your relationship come to
an end or should this into should be
641
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.679
two options of this. It ends
based on we plan to do this for
642
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:29.760
one year. One year's over.
This is what happens when the relationship in
643
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:35.159
the collaboration ends. The second aspect
of that is the collaboration gets blown the
644
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:40.079
UP, and this is what we
agreed on that. This is how we
645
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:44.920
would respond and this is what we
would do together if it were to be
646
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:49.599
blown up like that. So you
know, cover the basics, include what
647
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.320
it looks like when that, when
it comes to an end. However,
648
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.960
it comes to an end and then, you know, everybody get a copy
649
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:58.639
of it, sign a copy of
it, put it in a share it.
650
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.840
Just make sure you have a an
edited version. She's me a unedible
651
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:07.320
for version, like a PDF,
signed that somebody can't sneaking behind you and
652
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.559
change that. We said Yeah,
because people do that. Speaking of trust,
653
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:15.079
can a trust you with it at
a prove PDF? Well, make
654
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:16.920
sure you one thing did I think
you said that I was going to mention
655
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:20.920
if you didn't, was put a
timeline on this thing. You know,
656
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:24.239
I think a lot of times and
collaborations and partnerships we think, well,
657
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:28.480
we're going to sign up for this
podcast and it's going to be for eternity,
658
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.239
you know, or whatever. It
doesn't put three months, but put
659
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:35.199
three months, six months, twelve
months. When my partner and I got
660
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.480
together on our on our podcast,
this last one, you know, I
661
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:39.760
said, Hey, man, I'm
in for a year. You know,
662
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:44.679
we're both in for twelve months.
Let's do this project for twelve months.
663
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:46.960
Let's see what the results of it
are. Is it worth the investment of
664
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:50.960
time, energy, time, because
because if I'm spending time on this,
665
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.000
I'm not spending time on something else. And so we did that and after
666
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.599
the first year we came back mad
a business meeting. Were like, Dude,
667
00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:59.960
this is rock and rolling, like
let's keep, you know, keep
668
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.440
going. Same thing. We just
launched a membership group couple weeks ago.
669
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:05.559
It was the same thing, like
hey, we're in it for a year.
670
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.039
We're going to sell a year membership. We're in it for one year.
671
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:13.360
Let's see what happens. And so, you know, it's been it's
672
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.800
worked out and I think it makes
you I think when you know you have
673
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:21.679
an out, it doesn't feel like
so much pressure, specially for your personality,
674
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:23.960
like my personality is like. If
I feel trapped, dude, I'm
675
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:30.920
I'm calling already before I ever get
the only objection that I have to that
676
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:36.320
is in your case, you were
begging me and you were desperate for me
677
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.440
to come back every week. I
said I would only do show with you
678
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:42.559
for one week. You just can't
at please come back on Fridays. I
679
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:45.719
need you on Friday. So here
I am. I'm every Friday. So
680
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.920
you know, I let you beg
me into this. Let me see that
681
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:52.440
email orsus like man, you've blown
my audience up. I'm at four hundred
682
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:57.960
percent growth like this is amazing.
That's what I've done for you, right.
683
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.920
Yeah, it exactly everything to get
on the show. I get two
684
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.079
people instead of one watching you.
Doesn't come back to my side real quick.
685
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:09.679
Yeah, what is sheep pro you
just putting me get it straight.
686
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:14.119
You're trying to get in first place. So much on that. I'm getting
687
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:16.199
close, man. I'm moving up
the ladder. I'm moving up the ladder.
688
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:21.360
But I want to say something else
about this. Be sure that you
689
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:25.800
understand that a collaboration what it is, and that when a cleveration becomes a
690
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:30.239
business, yeah, right, it's
good when does it become a business?
691
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:35.519
Yeah, after a certain amount or
I think it becomes a business when day,
692
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:38.559
when you're talking about financial statements and
you're talking about investments and you're talking
693
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:43.239
about profits and loss and I need
to put five grant in and you need
694
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:45.199
to put five grant in in order
to make this work. That's moved beyond
695
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.079
a collaboration. Okay's to business.
Yeah, right, that makes sense.
696
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.440
Well, I like that to make
because people always ask me like hey,
697
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.639
I want to start this business,
I'm going to go get my this,
698
00:44:54.960 --> 00:45:00.480
that and another thing at business license
and all this paperwork and trademark in all
699
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:02.000
and Blah Blah, blah, Blah
Blah. I'm like, Dude, go
700
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:05.480
out there and try to sell that
thing first, like trying to get a
701
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:10.039
sale or to make like six hundred
twozero bucks, then go out here and
702
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:15.199
do all the paperwork. But so
what you're saying is testing your you want
703
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:17.880
to test the Argy. Yeah,
that's the strategy. To See if it
704
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.119
works and if it does, then
and go do something different. Yeah,
705
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:23.599
I mean that's like you and I. We had that project. We've put
706
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:27.719
it on the back burner now,
but that was a part of the conversation
707
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:30.639
and we had it was in and
we made a time commitment, but then
708
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:35.360
both of our lives got a little
busier, some stuff happen, and so
709
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:37.760
we just came back together and said, Hey, man, is this working
710
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:39.039
out? Like, Hey, let's
just put this on the back burner.
711
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:44.000
Let's Relok at it when certain markets
change, because right now the markets that
712
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:45.840
we want to serve a really hot. They don't really need our product,
713
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:50.000
and let's let's kind of figure this
out. And same thing. You know,
714
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.159
I'm going to collaboration with my friend
John of run Amazon live. We're
715
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:54.519
both super busy. I don't even
live in the states. I came and
716
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:58.719
do a brand deal to get product
or anything, and some like hey,
717
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:00.159
man, we don't have to do
a weekly call and just talk about what
718
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:04.199
we don't have time to do.
Just put them on the back burner.
719
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.400
Will put this state on the counter, will come back and revisit. And
720
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:13.159
so I would say too, like
in your collaboration relationships, just be flexible.
721
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.440
You know, I think, I
think flexibility. If you're not flexible,
722
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.800
you're just going to break, like
that's the thing. Like anything it's
723
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:22.599
not flexible, just going to break. And so the more flexibility that you
724
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.599
can allow yourself to have in the
more grace for the other person or other
725
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:30.159
people in that collaboration, the longer
that relationships going lasts in general. So
726
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:36.880
that would have some something to add
to them. Point was great. Here's
727
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.840
what I'll add to it. Just
because you can do a collaboration doesn't mean
728
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:45.360
you should. Okay, so this
is a good this is might be a
729
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:47.639
good place to land the plane here, because we're at forty eight minutes and
730
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:52.039
some change. Forty nine. Gonna
talk a lot. So we talk a
731
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:59.400
lot, you talk a lot's my
show. That's what I do. I
732
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:04.599
don't need to talk all week everybody
all week. I can finally done Friday.
733
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:09.840
Let's go. Let's see. So
so how do you? How do
734
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:14.760
you figure out? Do you need
somebody else? Is it based on lack
735
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:17.199
of skills? Is it based on
like knowledge? Is it just based on
736
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:22.000
loneliness? Like what? This makes
you all great questions. To do that?
737
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.320
All great questions, and here's the
answer to that question. You're the
738
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:29.400
only one that knows the answer to
the question. You're the only person that
739
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:34.559
knows why you're doing it. If
you're doing it because you're lonely and that's
740
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:37.440
the only reason that you're doing it
and you need another person in your life,
741
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:42.800
you need somebody in your business.
You just that you need then I
742
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.639
would tell you, before you do
that, go hire a coach, go
743
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:50.039
talk to somebody about that. Be
Sure that you understand why you're doing it.
744
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:53.079
But you know, it's just one
of those things that just because you
745
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:58.000
can do it doesn't mean you should
and don't. Definitely don't do it out
746
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:02.400
of fear or out of loneliness or
out of being scared. But the only
747
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:07.199
person that can answer the question as
to why I should do this is you,
748
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:10.760
that individual. And if you're struggling
with it, talk to a coach.
749
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.400
Journal about it, you know,
listen to other you, listen to
750
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:20.880
their podcast, meditate on it,
whatever it is, do something to discover
751
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:22.639
whether it's the right thing for you
or not. Yeah, man, I
752
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.960
think a lot of the stuff is
like it's not analytics, just gut.
753
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.639
It's just like, okay, what's
in my gut when I feeling? How
754
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:31.639
am I feeling about this? And
really look at what you want to do.
755
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:35.599
Like, and I would say this
for any creator, like if you
756
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.920
have an ideal, like I had
an idea for creating daily I really wanted
757
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:43.880
to bring other creators in. I
reach out to CITAD. I was like,
758
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:45.440
Hey, is there any way?
You know you want to do a
759
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.800
podcast. But the more that I
started flushing out the idea and what I
760
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:51.960
wanted to accomplish, I just knew, like, this isn't going to be
761
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.199
a good project for both sin and
I together. He can be a part
762
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:57.519
of it, but he's not going
to want to go alive every day,
763
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.239
and neither or the other people I
reach out to and talk to, and
764
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:06.039
I understood that. And so either
that idea had to die with me and
765
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:08.639
I was going to lean on other
people to make this happen, or is
766
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:10.599
going to say, man, I
just want to create a daily show and
767
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:14.239
I'm just going to do it and
if I fail, great, you know,
768
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:16.800
if I succeed, awesome. And
I still don't know if I'm failing
769
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:20.079
or succeeding. I don't even know
how to track this stuff with the day
770
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.679
of the show. So we'll see. What I'm doing, what I want
771
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.280
to do, and I'm also bringing
other people in. So doesn't have to
772
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:30.280
be a hundred percent collaborations either.
It can be once a week, clubs
773
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:34.320
once a month. Collaborations. You
know, I'm doing collaborations every single day
774
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.920
with somebody on my show, except
for maybe one day a week. You
775
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.280
know, having a guest on your
show is a collaboration. HAVE ANY GUESS?
776
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:44.079
Coming to Your Business, having a
coach in your business, is a
777
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:47.360
collaboration. So Yeah, man,
I love this conversation. I think collaborations
778
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:52.840
are powerful. I don't think it's
the US for no more business model.
779
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:54.760
I don't think we can make it
if it's just that way. And I
780
00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:59.239
think you know, I don't know
if this is a hundred percent true.
781
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:00.000
Maybe it is, maybe it it's
not, but it's like, show me
782
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:04.480
your network and I'll show you your
net worth. And I think the more
783
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.360
people that you you don't have to
work with everyone, but the more people
784
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.000
that you play Nice with will you
become a referral resource for you in your
785
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:15.119
company. So well, I guess
the last tip I'll give before we wrap
786
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:21.239
up today is start small, take
baby steps and go through the process.
787
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.119
Get to know each other, do
small collaborations before you jump into something big.
788
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:28.159
Right, get to know each other, get to build that trust,
789
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.679
but always, always, always,
listen to your gut. And do your
790
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:37.599
homework. Do Your Homework, do
your research right, make sure people,
791
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.199
make sure people are who they say
they are. Do you research. That's
792
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:44.920
good, man. So from a
content creator perspective, I'll give a couple
793
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.480
ways and then maybe you can think
of some business ways. But small collaboration
794
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:52.480
opportunities for content creators. Audio,
audio rooms great. So like social media
795
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:58.960
rooms, guests posting on Ig's,
like collaborate on an IG story or a
796
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:02.639
real or tick tock for real.
Collaborate on something like that. Collaborate on
797
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:06.400
a couple of live shows or collaborate
like sit and there. It's like once
798
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:08.199
a week, like he's coming on
my show, if you have a daily
799
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:12.559
show, some of that nature.
So that's kind of like for creators.
800
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.960
What about for business owners? Like
is it like a product? Okay,
801
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:19.880
so I think there's a couple options
here. You know, I just did
802
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:22.360
a collaboration recently with my sponsor of
my podcast, or one of my podcast.
803
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:27.719
Okay, they took over my podcast. That was a collaboration, right.
804
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.840
They took over my podcast for a
month and it turned out really,
805
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:36.199
really good and it worked and it
was really successful. That's a collaboration in
806
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.039
a business perspective, because my sponsor
is a business. He took over my
807
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:43.480
podcast, which is also a business, and so I think another thing might
808
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.199
be is school that you can do
collab yeah, you could do a collaboration,
809
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:51.880
like on a product design, like
you could. Hey, billy,
810
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:54.840
I would love for you to design
a t shirt for my business, sign
811
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:59.400
the art on the bottom and I'm
going to pay you royalties. That's a
812
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:01.800
collaboration, right to crabby collaboration.
I would never do that, by the
813
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:07.840
way, because you suck at being
an artist. Build over my wife.
814
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:09.920
Will you signatures my life if my
wife is watching her as going to buster
815
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:13.719
that tour and like, give me
sit, give that microphone. Tell us
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about royalties and artists like to take
what I'm worth. But I also think
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a collaboration, like I'm in a
collaboration right now, billy, between three
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consultants, and the three of us
came together to help a brand launched their
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business in the United States, their
successful overseas, specifically in India, and
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we were hired as a team as
a collaboration for one year. We got
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a full content this one actually is
a full legal contract. Right. We
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went all the way to it,
but it's still a collaboration with us in
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building the brand and launching this brand. We all have specific responsibilities and we're
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helping a company out of India launched
their business in the United States. That's
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a big collaboration with a lot of
documents. It's not a business, okay,
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but it's a big collaboration and does
have timelines on it. So that's
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another example of coming together, especially
independence, like small independence, like me,
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solo proneuers, everybody in this collaboration. We're all solo proneuers. Yeah,
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but but you guys are coming together, you're putting your skill sets together
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and you're getting a big Pie and
you get split that big pie. Yes,
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we're leveraging each other skill sets to
that's the important thing in that one.
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So that's another example. I also
think like I made a recommendation to.
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I saw a post on Linkedin a
couple of weeks ago about hiring and
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this one. This this guy was
posting about his small business. He was
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posting about hiring sales people and how
difficult he was finding it to higher sales
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people. Well, another small business
that I happen to know also commented about
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how she's struggling with it as well, so I made a comment and I
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said how great would it be to
see the two of you come together to
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collaborate in strategic markets, to hire
that person to support both of you?
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We'll see if they actually do it, but that's a collaboration, right.
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You hire were good. Two companies
or three companies come together, because maybe
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they all can't afford one particular hive
dollar sales person, but the three of
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them or two of them could come
together and afford it. Yeah, yeah,
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that's good idea. The collaboration.
It's collaboration. Well, man,
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there's so much power in collaborations.
said, I really appreciate our collaborations on
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Fridays. You can be back with
me next week we'll be talking about when
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she said meadows. I'm glad we
get more listeners than viewers. So what
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you what? She died processed by
hilly Thorpe. What's she's not, probably
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or what she pro I even know
what she dot pro I can't even one.
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She got pro forts. I said
meadows is where you need to go,
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because it's going to the leaderboard on
when she pro they are for somebody
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eyes. Say That side up,
Brett, if you're listening, if you're
853
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listening, Britt you better be listening
or we're out. You understand to take
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my one she profile and leave it? Well, man, super, supermus
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fun. So we'll see back next
week. We'll be talking about digital what
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are we talking about? I can't
remember. You gave me the title and
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we owe. I was like,
what do you talk about? Yeah,
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you were dissing on me last week, having a laborative disagreement viaus text whenever.
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What you were just being belligerent,
is what was happening. But yeah,
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so next week show is about digital
storytelling. Yes, and how to
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use various digital medias to to tell
a story that bring your ideal customer into
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your world, or how to tell
storytelling online. Which one of you guys
863
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like better? Wrest where's the new
button? All right, Billy's wife,
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right in there. Hit to eat
bud real quick, please. Done.
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In there, hit the meat bud. Yeah, my three days will to
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my three year old come and destroy
this whole desk, throw it all on
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the floor. Actually, it's been
fun. Buddy's happy Friday. Great hanging
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out with the USC next week.
Absolutely appreciate you so much. said.
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All right, everyone, that is
all for today over here. At creating
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daily. Join Me Monday. Have
a great weekend, by the way,
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and then join me on Monday.
I'm going to be joined by Ross brand
872
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:12.119
and he is a live streamer,
a livestream consultant, and he just dropped
873
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:15.280
a new book called a hundred live
streaming in digital media predictions, and it's
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00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:20.719
volume two. and talking about collaborations, he features over, I think right
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00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:24.840
that, a hundred and thirty top
creators and industry insider sharing all like new
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00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:30.840
entries for forecasts, inside strategies,
all that kind of stuff. So what
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a collaboration. Super, super cool, super excited to hear about that.
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I didn't make it into volume two. Maybe I'll make it into volume three.
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Maybe I have him on, warm
him up a bit, old Ross,
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and then maybe he'll back man this
cool. Maybe I don't really have
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any predictions, okay, but anyway, if I did, maybe I'll work
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on them for volume three. But
Anyhow, I'm excited to have Ross on.
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Join Me Monday, two PM Eastern
time. Have a great weekend into
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France, family, all that fun
stuff, and remember, go hit the
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real lord bunt, go hit your
golive button, whatever that looks like for
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you. Is a creator and and
do what you do because people need your
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message, they need your art,
they need your voice, all that kind
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of fun stuff. All right,
we'll see you next week